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Original post by shum1614
A 30cm3 sample of nitrogen was reacted with a 60cm3 sample of fluorine according to the equation
1/2 N2 + 3/2 F2 --> NF3
What is the volume of the gas mixture after the reaction, at constant temperature and pressure?
The answer is 50 cm3 but how do you get to it?

To answer this you first must appreciate that a mole of any gas occupies the same volume as a mole of any other gas (at the same temperature and pressure).

Therefore, because there is twice the volume of fluorine as there is nitrogen, there is also twice as many moles of fluorine as nitrogen.

But nitrogen and fluorine react in a 1:3 ratio (from the equation)
The 60cm3 of fluorine will react with 20cm3 of nitrogen because of that reaction ratio. Hence there will be 10cm3 of unreacted nitrogen.

Each mole of nitrogen that reacts results in 2 moles of NF3 (from the equation).
As 20cm3 of nitrogen reacted there will be 40cm3 of NF3 product.

All the fluorine is used in the reaction.

Add together the 10cm3 of unreacted nitrogen and the 40cm3 of the product NF3 and you get 50cm3 of gases.
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I still don't understand how you got 20 ?
Original post by ChemistryWebsite
To answer this you first must appreciate that a mole of any gas occupies the same volume as a mole of any other gas (at the same temperature and pressure).

Therefore, because there is twice the volume of fluorine as there is nitrogen, there is also twice as many moles of fluorine as nitrogen.

But nitrogen and fluorine react in a 1:3 ratio (from the equation)
The 60cm3 of fluorine will react with 20cm3 of nitrogen because of that reaction ratio. Hence there will be 10cm3 of unreacted nitrogen.

Each mole of nitrogen that reacts results in 2 moles of NF3 (from the equation).
As 20cm3 of nitrogen reacted there will be 40cm3 of NF3 product.

All the fluorine is used in the reaction.

Add together the 10cm3 of unreacted nitrogen and the 40cm3 of the product NF3 and you get 50cm3 of gases.
Original post by shum1614
I still don't understand how you got 20 ?

In your equation half a mole of nitrogen reacts with 1.5 moles fluorine. They react in the ratio 1:3

20cm3 of nitrogen reacted because there is only 60cm3 of fluorine.
There is an excess of nitrogen, so 10cm3 will remain unreacted because there is no more fluorine to react with.
Original post by ChemistryWebsite
In your equation half a mole of nitrogen reacts with 1.5 moles fluorine. They react in the ratio 1:3

20cm3 of nitrogen reacted because there is only 60cm3 of fluorine.
There is an excess of nitrogen, so 10cm3 will remain unreacted because there is no more fluorine to react with.

how do you know there is excess nitrogen considering theres less of it (in terms of volume)?
Original post by anonnn1111
how do you know there is excess nitrogen considering theres less of it (in terms of volume)?

Because of the stoichiometry of the reaction. From the balanced equation we can see that nitrogen and fluorine react in a 1:3 ratio.

The gases must be at the same temp and pressure. A mole of any gas occupies the same volume as a mole of any other gas at the same Temp and pressure. Therefore the ratio of moles of N2 and F2 at the beginning of the reaction is 30:60 or 1:2.

Because of the stoichiometry of the reaction, a maximum of 20cm3 of nitrogen can react as there is only 60cm3 fluorine. Fluorine is the limiting reactant - there isn't enough present to react with all the nitrogen.

Because only 20cm3 of nitrogen can react with the 60cm3 of fluorine, there must be an excess of 10cm3 nitrogen.
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Original post by ChemistryWebsite
To answer this you first must appreciate that a mole of any gas occupies the same volume as a mole of any other gas (at the same temperature and pressure).

Therefore, because there is twice the volume of fluorine as there is nitrogen, there is also twice as many moles of fluorine as nitrogen.

But nitrogen and fluorine react in a 1:3 ratio (from the equation)
The 60cm3 of fluorine will react with 20cm3 of nitrogen because of that reaction ratio. Hence there will be 10cm3 of unreacted nitrogen.

Each mole of nitrogen that reacts results in 2 moles of NF3 (from the equation).
As 20cm3 of nitrogen reacted there will be 40cm3 of NF3 product.

All the fluorine is used in the reaction.

Add together the 10cm3 of unreacted nitrogen and the 40cm3 of the product NF3 and you get 50cm3 of gases.

hi, im having mind blank in 40cm3 part, pls can u explain how u got it?
Original post by Madinaa
hi, im having mind blank in 40cm3 part, pls can u explain how u got it?


You do realise is a 4 year old thread… but I’ll show you a nice way in which you can work these sorts of problems out.

They gave the following equation:

1/2 N2 + 3/2 F2 —> NF3

Scaling this up for ease, so multiplying everything by 2:

N2 + 3F2 —> 2NF3

Because the volume of a gas is proportional to how many moles of gas there are (as per pV = nRT), you can actually scale up the equation again so the numbers in front match the volumes of gases.

Scaling it up so the coefficient of N2 is 30 (basically multiplying everything in the equation by 30 and we are doing this since we are starting with 30 cm^3 of N2):

30N2 + 90F2 —> 60NF3

This shows that N2 is in excess because you’d need 90 cm^3 of F2 to react with it all and there are only 60 cm^3. You also may notice that if there were 90 cm^3 of F2, you’d make 60 cm^3 of NF3 in this case (since the number in front of the NF3 is 60)

Now can you try scaling it up so that the coefficient of F2 is 60 cm^3?
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Original post by TypicalNerd
You do realise is a 4 year old thread… but I’ll show you a nice way in which you can work these sorts of problems out.

They gave the following equation:

1/2 N2 + 3/2 F2 —> NF3

Scaling this up for ease, so multiplying everything by 2:

N2 + 3F2 —> 2NF3

Because the volume of a gas is proportional to how many moles of gas there are (as per pV = nRT), you can actually scale up the equation again so the numbers in front match the volumes of gases.

Scaling it up so the coefficient of N2 is 30 (basically multiplying everything in the equation by 30 and we are doing this since we are starting with 30 cm^3 of N2):

30N2 + 90F2 —> 60NF3

This shows that N2 is in excess because you’d need 90 cm^3 of F2 to react with it all and there are only 60 cm^3. You also may notice that if there were 90 cm^3 of F2, you’d make 60 cm^3 of NF3 in this case (since the number in front of the NF3 is 60)

Now can you try scaling it up so that the coefficient of F2 is 60 cm^3?

im kinda gettin' it tsym, but r u sure it would be 40cm3?
Original post by Madinaa
im kinda gettin' it tsym, but r u sure it would be 40cm3?

Yes, because of the ratio in the equation.

Doing it the old school way:

Ratio of N2 : F2 in mixture = 30 : 60 = 1:2

==> N2 is in excess, so all 60 cm^3 of F2 react

Ratio F2 used up : NF3 made = 3 : 2 (as per the equation)

Rewriting that ratio in the form 1 : n, you get 1 : 2/3, so there will be 2/3 as many moles of NF3 made as there are F2 used up.

V(NF3) = 2/3 x 60 cm^3 = 40 cm^3

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