Rape accusers to be asked to hand their phones to police

A tricky one this. Having their phones and everything being scrutinised by the police will obviously deter many accusers from coming forward to the police, which is clearly a bad thing. However, the move towards gathering as much relevant information as possible on the accuser and the accused from likely sources (such as phones) is motivated by several such cases collapsing after it being found that the police didn't find or disclose exonerating evidence in time, such as here.

I think it would depend on the accused's defence, if they claimed (as Allan did) that the accuser had sent them many messages pestering for sex, but then this undermines the right to a fair trial if one side has to disclose their strategy (even if it is 'tell the truth') before getting to court. It also wouldn't have found that Allan's accuser had often discussed Allan with others (so he would have no idea of it from the messages he shared with her), including rape fantasies.

Is it reasonable to require an accuser's phone and information to check if there is any information on it that would discredit them? Obviously with the burden of proof being on the accuser, it is sensible to see if there is a gaping hole in their story as soon as possible. But even if nothing were found, an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence so this line of evidence gathering can only hurt the accuser, not help them (that I can see). They would be compelled to give evidence that can't help them (unless it contradicts the accused's story later, but we can't know what that will be), or the prosecution may not go ahead.

I know someone whose life was ruined by a woman accusing him of rape. She had sex then immediately regretted it because she had a boyfriend and was basically cheating on him. She made up all sorts of stories about how he plied her with alcohol and drugs. He was hauled before the police, had to drop out of university through stress. Lost friends etc.

Unfortunately for her cctv showed her all over him. The people at the bar remembered her as being quite sober. He never took drugs and the case was thrown out. But mud sticks.

Eventually discovered she made a habit of accusing men of rape.

Does anyone know what the cause of false rape allegations is? Why are those women who are doing that doing it?

My main point is that if I falsely report that my car has been stolen or house has been burned down [for the insurance money or whatever] no innocent person is at risk for getting jailed for 10 yrs

yet when someone falsely accuses a rape someone's freedom is at stake [possibly could go away for 10yrs] and they are left with a terrible stigma for the rest of their lives. Therefore EXTRA measures to try and make sure the claim is not flase should be used [such as looking at alleged victims mobile phones]

I think it is really common. I've been in a lot of situations where girls have made up lies about me for a stupid reason. Not rape specifically though. It's one of the reasons I dropped out of university actually. I was in an abusive relationship and my ex-gf made up a bunch of stuff about me and a lot of people just didn't like me anymore. And other girls have done stuff like that because I wouldn't sleep with them lmao.

I think most men will experience these things at some point in their lives.

I think it is really common. I've been in a lot of situations where girls have made up lies about me for a stupid reason. Not rape specifically though. It's one of the reasons I dropped out of university actually. I was in an abusive relationship and my ex-gf made up a bunch of stuff about me and a lot of people just didn't like me anymore. And other girls have done stuff like that because I wouldn't sleep with them lmao.

I think most men will experience these things at some point in their lives.

of the cases i know of one was simply because of a rejection ...and the other [which i won't go into] was basically somewhat along the same lines only with more aggrevating factors

But you're ignoring that the police legally have to hand that information over. Once that phone enters their possession, any evidence on it can be given to the defence. It's not up to the police to decide what evidence is irrelevant and what gets admitted to the record. They must record all information they receive and disclose all that information to the defence if there's a chance it may help the defence's case. Regardless of how irrelevant it is.

If things worked like you describe, then I'd have no problem with it. But unfortunately, that is not how the system works!

I can see why that would be important if it was rape by a relation or partner but for stranger rape etc idk what that would achieve

ye but women tend to spread rumours around like that without going to the police, thats what I was getting at. Because I've experienced it myself multiple times and seen it happen to other people too. At school and University.

I see. I feel sad that postmodern progressivism has told women to be so self-centered, selfish and entitled (e.g. feminism, its you that matters, be assertive, go get it women, you are it, girl power) - and some women believe it I'm not saying all women are like this because all women are not like that! Many woman for this reason don't actually understand the implication that men can have just for having sex which include false rape accusations, pregnancy which they cannot control, child maintenance claims for 18 years, diseases (of course its mutual). Back in the day, I did sleep around at times, and that was before I really understood risk very well. Luckily I don't have to as im in a long term relationship - but I can't see myself accepting such risks even if hypothetically possible.

The rape conviction rate is low and tbh it should be low.
I know that will upset a lot of people but when you are talking about consequences of said rape convictions resulting in people getting imprisoned for lenghty amounts of time and having their names ruined for life there really needs to be some STRONG evidence beyond all resonable doubt imo not just one person [the girl] saying he raped me and the guy saying no she didn't.

This is the type of evidence that a lot of rape campaingers want to see men imprisoned for.

no, you need a lot more than that and rightly so

unfortunately some rapists will go free but have you ever heard the saying - "better 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer"

It applies here imo

And it isn't right. I feel so sorry for men - women seem to hold all the cards on this one and they can have their life ruined as a result.t

I can see it coming that couples will have to sign an agreement beforehand to consent. My own son was 16 when he had sex with a 15 year old - even now 16 years later, he is terrified that she will come after him - and he will be dragged to court on her words.I know it is unlikely he will be charged as the ages are so close.

Anyway - drop a little bit of your arrogance hey! because I wouldn't sleep with them lmao. I am sure you are a delightful superstud, but even the most beautiful age at some point

Surely you are not comparing a man slut-shaming a woman to a woman falsely accusing a man of sexual violence or rape?