Majority of Europeans expect end of EU within 20 years

More than half of Europeans believe the EU is likely to collapse within a generation, despite support for the bloc hitting heights not recorded in more than a quarter of a century.

In France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Austria, Slovakia, Romania, Greece, the Czech Republic and Poland, a majority of people surveyed thought EU disintegration was a “realistic possibility” in the next 10 to 20 years.

The figures are particularly stark in France, where President Emmanuel Macron’s La République En Marche party is trailing behind Marine Le Pen’s Brussels-bashing Rassemblement National (RN) in the polls for next week’s European elections.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/15/majority-of-europeans-expect-end-of-eu-within-20-years

if this really happens suddenly brexit doesnt seem so crazy

And all of this because it wants to be a state without a mandate from the people in those countries....

Should have stuck to an economic union and changed freedom of movement rules when they allowed the poor countries to join.

You are aware they stage regular elections...? Which is ipso facto a mandate.

I'm curious what your issue with freedom of movement is though? It's benefited the nation immeasurably through cheap talented labour which the average shiftless layabout Brit isnt willing to do.

I know you have a habit of reading what you like into people’s posts but even you can’t be that stupid.

An election for MEP’s isn’t consent from the citizens of those countries that they want to be a member of the EU AND that they want the political side of the EU including ever closer union.

I think they are probably right. I do expect within my lifetime the EU in its current form to die. It doesn't seem like a sustainable way of running a group of nations to me.

But what I think those who say it will die often miss, is for me when it does, it won't be replaced by a return to the nation-state, it will die and be replaced by something far bigger and more reaching. Most likely a unitied-states-of-europe.

I would support that far more then the current EU. For all of its problems, the way that the founding fathers in america and subsiquent leaders have walked the line between state autonomy, and having a collective single identity is genius, and its the example that europe should follow.

Either we go back to nation states, who have a few agreements together.. or we just go all in, behind some inspirational leader, and become one nation, with multiple states. Both seem ideologically sound to me, and both are much more preferable then the half-in half-out option, that we have now.. where we are slowly creeping towards unification, rather than just going for it. Its the creep that feels so bad to people, and the way that the EU is run, the lack of clear leadership and represenation (its there, but it doesn't matter if the people don't feel it or identify with it) that is causing our problems.

So then for me, if I look at the dirrection that the world is heading in, with ginormous super-powered states, and potential states.. the likes of China, America, India, potentially brazil, and potentially africa in the future.. for me it just makes europes micro-nation state model seem outdated and unable to compete. So for me, if the EU does die.. the most likely option is that its replaced by something far bigger and more unified, rather then going back to the past.

More than half of Europeans believe the EU is likely to collapse within a generation, despite support for the bloc hitting heights not recorded in more than a quarter of a century.

In France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Austria, Slovakia, Romania, Greece, the Czech Republic and Poland, a majority of people surveyed thought EU disintegration was a “realistic possibility” in the next 10 to 20 years.

The figures are particularly stark in France, where President Emmanuel Macron’s La République En Marche party is trailing behind Marine Le Pen’s Brussels-bashing Rassemblement National (RN) in the polls for next week’s European elections.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/15/majority-of-europeans-expect-end-of-eu-within-20-years

if this really happens suddenly brexit doesnt seem so crazy

I highly doubt the EU will die, but I'm sure it will change and adapt, so it won't be the exact same EU in 10-20 years as it is today. Just like the EU isn't the exact same today as it was 10-20 years ago.

I think your idea of Europe basically being one country is ludicrous and would never work. Many countries in Europe are so different, with different ideologies, different sources of income, and in general very different views on things to possibly function as one country? It would never work, even in a US type setup because at least the different states have more in common with each other than some countries in the Europe do. It would just cause large populations to be very unhappy and it would collapse quickly anyway. Really don't understand why you think this is even a possibly viable idea at all.

Is this coming from the person who doesnt know even basic political theory...?
No, that comes from the national elections. Even you cant be that stupid not to know such a basic fact? Show me a single country that has been publicly, and popularly, demanding to break out of the EU? I cant think of a single example.

You can’t think of an example because the citizens aren’t asked in a referendum!

FFS 🙄

Re-read that kid, you might be able to notice where you cocked up there.

Nope, I didn’t.

I’m really fed up of these interactions with you, they add nothing and are almost always are complete *******s.

You don't know much about politics and how elections work do you?

Oh cry me a river. If you stop making such ignorant posts you wouldnt have this problem.

Nah I know sod all about politics

I think they are probably right. I do expect within my lifetime the EU in its current form to die. It doesn't seem like a sustainable way of running a group of nations to me.

But what I think those who say it will die often miss, is for me when it does, it won't be replaced by a return to the nation-state, it will die and be replaced by something far bigger and more reaching. Most likely a unitied-states-of-europe.

I would support that far more then the current EU. For all of its problems, the way that the founding fathers in america and subsiquent leaders have walked the line between state autonomy, and having a collective single identity is genius, and its the example that europe should follow.

Either we go back to nation states, who have a few agreements together.. or we just go all in, behind some inspirational leader, and become one nation, with multiple states. Both seem ideologically sound to me, and both are much more preferable then the half-in half-out option, that we have now.. where we are slowly creeping towards unification, rather than just going for it. Its the creep that feels so bad to people, and the way that the EU is run, the lack of clear leadership and represenation (its there, but it doesn't matter if the people don't feel it or identify with it) that is causing our problems.

So then for me, if I look at the dirrection that the world is heading in, with ginormous super-powered states, and potential states.. the likes of China, America, India, potentially brazil, and potentially africa in the future.. for me it just makes europes micro-nation state model seem outdated and unable to compete. So for me, if the EU does die.. the most likely option is that its replaced by something far bigger and more unified, rather then going back to the past.