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Why does everyone say dentists earn more than doctors?

I’ve read through numerous threads stating that dentists earn more than doctors however I’m a tad bit confused as to why people say this as if you look at the actual statistics on google, it says medical consultants earn around 80k a year while dentists earn around 50k a year. Even in foundation training doctors and dentists both earn the same, about 25k.

I’m aware that obviously you shouldn’t just go into a job for the money but I’m just confused as to why people say this when the actual statistics say otherwise.

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I'm no expert on this but I think that doctors often work much longer hours than dentists. This could mean that dentists earn more per hour but not more per year.
Reply 2
A lot of dentists are private and a lot more services with dental practices are privatised, which would explain why some dentists earn more than NHS doctors, especially seeing as the majority of dentists work 9-5
Reply 3
That still doesn’t make sense though as doctors work around 50 hours per week - 2600 hours a year while dentists work 40 hours a week - 2080 hours a year. If you divide the salaries by the working hours, doctors still earn more
Original post by a.ayre14
I'm no expert on this but I think that doctors often work much longer hours than dentists. This could mean that dentists earn more per hour but not more per year.
Reply 4
Ohh ok yeah that does make sense. Even then dentists wouldn’t earn THAT much more than doctors so why do people make it out to be that way
Original post by epicnm
A lot of dentists are private and a lot more services with dental practices are privatised, which would explain why some dentists earn more than NHS doctors, especially seeing as the majority of dentists work 9-5
Reply 5
Without doing private work though, doctors would earn more right?
Reply 6
That makes sense however private employers tend to employ more mature dentists with more experience, so for the majority of a dentists life they wouldn’t get that many private opportunities
It all depends whether you are NHS or private.
(edited 4 years ago)
Reply 8
By the way, just a quick sub- question. If you work private as well as in the NHS does that mean you have to do extra hours, thus making you work >40 hours a week?
Original post by ilyas.100
I’ve read through numerous threads stating that dentists earn more than doctors however I’m a tad bit confused as to why people say this as if you look at the actual statistics on google, it says medical consultants earn around 80k a year while dentists earn around 50k a year. Even in foundation training doctors and dentists both earn the same, about 25k.

I’m aware that obviously you shouldn’t just go into a job for the money but I’m just confused as to why people say this when the actual statistics say otherwise.


I think a more accurate way of looking at it might be that dentists initially have to work fewer hours and endure less hoop jumping than a doctor with a similar number of years of experience - and still earn a good salary. Dentists don't have to sit expensive postgraduate exams or go through many years of specialty training (although some will choose to do this) with nights, weekend work etc, so I suspect this may be what those threads are getting at. But, as always, it's TSR, so generalisations and conjecture abound.

I don't think it's necessarily true that dentists earn more than medical consultants. A lot of dentists still work within the NHS (i.e. not lucrative) and even the private treatments which the average high street general dental practice offers aren't really that much of a money spinner compared with medical consultancy.

What I would class as truly lucrative "private dentistry" i.e. private clinics, Harley St vibe, high fees per treatment, prosthetic/cosmetic work, international clientele etc is not something that's done by most dentists as far as I'm aware, and requires a significant amount of experience and further investment and training.

I think you can go into medicine and easily dispense with nights and weekends after FY2 if you pick the right specialty. Or you can go into a specialty which makes lots of money (both in the NHS and privately). Or you can go into a specialty with endless nights and weekends and little potential for private work if that's what you like. The world is your oyster!

This is all coming from a non-dentist btw.
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One LAST question (sorry if I’m annoying you lol) so I’ve read that dentists and doctors can earn more if they work solely private. So why don’t all of them do that then to maximise their income?
Reply 11
So basically, solely working for the NHS, doctors earn more but have lots more working hours whereas dentists earn less but have a more relaxed life
Original post by Democracy
I think a more accurate way of looking at it might be that dentists initially have to work fewer hours and endure less hoop jumping than a doctor with a similar number of years of experience - and still earn a good salary. Dentists don't have to sit expensive postgraduate exams or go through many years of specialty training (although some will choose to do this) with nights, weekend work etc, so I suspect this may be what those threads are getting at. But, as always, it's TSR, so generalisations and conjecture abound.

I don't think it's necessarily true that dentists earn more than medical consultants. A lot of dentists still work within the NHS (i.e. not lucrative) and even the private treatments which the average high street general dental practice offers aren't really that much of a money spinner compared with medical consultancy.

What I would class as truly lucrative "private dentistry" i.e. private clinics, Harley St vibe, high fees per treatment, prosthetic/cosmetic work, international clientele etc is not something that's done by most dentists as far as I'm aware, and requires a significant amount of experience and further investment and training.

I think you can go into medicine and easily dispense with nights and weekends after FY2 if you pick the right specialty. Or you can go into a specialty which makes lots of money (both in the NHS and privately). Or you can go into a specialty with endless nights and weekends and little potential for private work if that's what you like. The world is your oyster!

This is all coming from a non-dentist btw.
Your earnings are far more heavily dependent on things like:

- The proportion of NHS work you do compared to private work
- Whether you are an employee, or an owner/partner of a practice
- The amount of freelance/locum work you do
... etc.

If you're comparing like for like (i.e. NHS Doctor vs NHS Dentist) then perhaps the doctor might earn more, as there is currently a greater shortage of them within the NHS. On the other hand, doctors are far more likely than dentists to be on the lower paid side of the issues I mentioned above (i.e. working full time in the NHS as an employee, with no private or locum work).
Original post by ilyas.100
So basically, solely working for the NHS, doctors earn more but have lots more working hours whereas dentists earn less but have a more relaxed life


Depends on the specialty! For acute specialties vs general dental practice, that's probably true.
Im a dental nurse. Basically theres NHS & Private. Nhs have contacts, private dont. Nhs have fixed annual costs, private don’t. With nhs you have targets called UDAS which every single practice with a nhs contact must reach at the end of every financial year. Dentists get paid per uda and usually have a split with their employer. As they are basically self employed but work at a company. Private practices have no contacts but of course costs are considerably more because of the type of treatments that are offered. Dentists can earn 100k+ if they had the capacity too it all really depends. Also there are many specialist dentists that climb the progress ladder to become for example maxillofacial surgeons or they may have interests in things like implants, orthodontics etc. It really does depend :smile: I work in a private dental practice. I’ve worked in nhs practices, dental hospitals etc there is a wide variety of interests that you can progress towards :smile:
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What is freelance/locum
Original post by tazarooni89
Your earnings are far more heavily dependent on things like:

- The proportion of NHS work you do compared to private work
- Whether you are an employee, or an owner/partner of a practice
- The amount of freelance/locum work you do
... etc.

If you're comparing like for like (i.e. NHS Doctor vs NHS Dentist) then perhaps the doctor might earn more, as there is currently a greater shortage of them within the NHS. On the other hand, doctors are far more likely than dentists to be on the lower paid side of the issues I mentioned above (i.e. working full time in the NHS as an employee, with no private or locum work).
Reply 16
In all honesty I’m not 100% going into medicine for the money, if I was, I probs would’ve just done accountancy or something. However majority of the reason is the money while the other minority of the reason being I actually genuinely enjoy biology and learning about the human body - it’s my favourite subject
Original post by ilyas.100
What is freelance/locum


It’s incidental work you do as a self-employed contractor, e.g. a doctor employed by a GP practice or NHS walk-in clinic goes on holiday and you’re filling in for them for a few sessions
Original post by ilyas.100
What is freelance/locum

As a doctor/dentist there may be shortages where they need people to cover e.g oncall shifts. They'd offer those out as locum for a fixed rate. Think going rate for a locum shift is about 35 pound an hour. Some people just do locum so you can earn a lot of money but it's a lot of hours and a lot if stress. Also a lot of hospitals will put you down on a zero hour contract so you're taking a risk if you do too many hours and get tired and make a mistake.
This is just my personal experience from working in hospital. My hospital offered 35 pound an hour for locum shifts for junior staff.
I've seen locum shifts for dentists offered approx 300 pound days but they expect you to average 30 uda days which can be quite tricky depending on what walks through the door.
Overall though as above shouldn't be doing either for the money. The money is good and you live a decent life but there are a lot easier ways to get money and not have to work long hours

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