James Bulgar killer Jon Venables possibly starting a new life abroad

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That is correct, but socially he has to doesn't he? He is a danger to society with the crimes he has committed and not a single society anywhere in the world will allow a child murder to be free without consequences, and as @AngryRedhead said this guy has shown no signs of remorse or changing, clearly prison has not worked so he needs to get dismembered.

Dismemberment would make you as bad as him.Worse in fact because he was 10 when he committed his crimes.

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Underscore__

What a wonderful idea, let’s start executing 10 year olds

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3121

Hmmm... I had to read into this case A LOT a few months back because I came across it and it created a huge black hole in my mind, I've read so much I even accidentally came across the prison he was being held at.. I always thought kids were innocent beings. After taking into account many factors, I accepted it was the children that were failed. I was shocked that grown adults wanted to see 2 kids hung, spared no mercy, no forgiveness, not even try to analyse and understand what had led to such an event... does that make them any better? They wonder how such evil can be committed by a human and the answer is right in front of them... The anger/emotions going through them to forget their values and love for kids to want to see 2 of them killed shows there's a state of being that can commit such an evil act (and this state of being can exist in a self aware adult with firm concious values and belief, adults can emulate empathy and emotions without needing to experience the event), the only thing is they have some justification, but something could've triggered this state of being into those 2 kids, although what trigged it can never be justified, it could've been understood. I don't think kids are self aware, kids are only aware of what they've been exposed to and nothing wider but possibly narrower, however this is only on a concious level and not on a subconscious level which means it can be turned off hence why kids can have such strong imaginations, often change their views and go into different states of mind with ease because reality and self awareness aren't fully hard-wired into them yet, only their own perspectives and experiences can drive them.

I think they should've had to work for their freedom back in stages, instead at 18 they were thrown in the deep end which meant it could've gone either way, for one it went well and the other it went terrible. as for his recent crimes, how was he even in a position to get access to such material? I think it's fair to say the event would have had a huge traumatic effect on him and the report said the images accessed seemed to reflect this. After his first offence he should've been offered rehabilitation and psychiatric help with open communication to discuss what was going through his mind, refusal of this and unreported relapses should've led to standard imprisonment. He should've either been humanely contained from society or put back into society with full support and regular assessments. I think he should be contained from society and slowly be granted freedom, ensuring he meets set criteria's at several stages.

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Napp

Notionally because we live in a civilized society, legally because the EU ordered it :lol:

Original post by Trotsky's Iceaxe

New Zealand has already said no.

Well why on earth would we want him here?! Australia can have him! Full of criminals and all that any way :wink:

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username1539513

Original post by Underscore__

What a wonderful idea, let’s start executing 10 year olds

I meant when he reached the age of adulthood. Of course I’m not advocating for capital punishment for children.

Original post by James2312

Dismembering people is barbaric.Its not justice.And of course prison didn't work.Locking a messed up child up and putting him with a bunch of violent criminals was obviously not going to lead to a massive transformation for the better.The fact that he is still committing child pornography offences suggests that maybe something is inherently wrong with him.

No ****!

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username47781

Interesting that the other guy Robert Thompson never reoffended

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Underscore__

But you would still be executing him for something he did as a child

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username1539513

So you think torturing and murdering an innocent two year old should be completely excused just because he was ten when he did it?

Original post by Underscore__

But you would still be executing him for something he did as a child

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shehnaaz

Original post by Rock Fan

That's what I wondered and surely can't see Canada saying yes either

Hope they dont

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Underscore__

So in your mind the choices are completely excuse or execute? I think, and this may well have happened, that they should have been extensively interviewed and analysed to try and understand what would make two 10 year olds do something so terrible.

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username1539513

We both know that prison is a joke in the UK; having met quite a few convicts in my time working for the NHS it doesn't seem to have done much to discourage them; nor has it done much for Venebles, as he has at least twice now shown that he is still a threat to children by his child pornography offences. Would you want him living next to you if you had children? Or even if you don't. The man deserves the Sarah Sands treatment or even a shotgun slug through the head

Original post by Underscore__

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username4750714

Well if there is something wrong with him then I'm not sure how much blame you can put on him? How much choice does a psychopath have in the matter really? It's like blaming a lion for eating a zebra.Its just the nature of a lion.No point in painting it as something evil.Maybe some people are just like that.Its just who they are.

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username1539513

Psychopaths are not immune from legal consequences just because their brain is defective. They still are capable of understanding that torturing and killing people is a wrong and evil action and unlike a lion, that neither has the capacity to understand this and needs to kill to live, a psychopath kills for the fun of it. He is deserving of the death penalty irrespective, as he has now repeatedly shown that he is extremely dangerous

Original post by James2312

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username4750714

Well you might notice the law here doesn't allow for execution.If their brain is defective then it's not exactly their fault.So if you punish them you are punishing them for something outside of their control.Of course the law assumes we have choice and free will but there is not a whole lot of evidence supporting that.

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username1539513

You do have a choice in how you act though? Nobody pushed a gun to the head to Jon and Robert and forced them to kidnap, torture and brutally murder a tiny 2 year old boy did they? If a psychopath is unable to recognise that they did wrong and is unable to act according to free will then that is more of a reason to get rid of them, not less, as they would be unable to stop themselves from committing more crime

Original post by James2312

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username4750714

Not really.Imagine you had been born with their brains and their genes.If you had had the exact same experiences and been put in the same environment then you would be them.You'd do exactly the same things.I think we have far less choice than we'd like to believe.

Do you think Einstein for instance could have been anything other than a physicist? I don't think he could have.Simply because that was his nature.I think it's an argument for locking people up not for killing them though.

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username1539513

I highly doubt that I would to be honest; loads of people in the world have suffered child sexual abuse and far far worse than Venebles and they haven't ever turned to killing and torturing random innocent toddlers so his upbringing is not an excuse. If you make the arguement that nobody ever has free will and therefore cannot be held accountable for anything they do and punished legally for it you might aswell just do away with a justice system altogether and let vigilante justice rule the country.

I don't know enough about Einsteins brain to comment on that but as a man of incredible intelligence I believe he could have applied his intelligence to become anything he could have wanted to be. He chose to become a physicist as clearly this subject interested him the most.

Original post by James2312

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The RAR

Original post by James2312

Dismemberment would make you as bad as him.Worse in fact because he was 10 when he committed his crimes.

I am aware of the age, these two have made in the top 10 list of child murderers so the whole world knows of their crimes. I am not a huge fan of capital punishment and I think it should be reserved for only the most vile of people that are literally a danger to humanity, with kids however I am not in favour of capital punishment and do believe everyone deserves a second chance, Robert proved himself to be a worthy man, he has now changed and is living a honest life.
Jon however, seriously you only have to look at his child mugshot to see you have a pure psychopath here, his eyes say everything. However if Jon did reform like Robert then there is no need to kill him and he should be released, but he screwed up his second chance and keeps on committing crimes which are similarly motivated to his original crime that made him famous, he is almost a 40 year old and is still a danger to society so he should be executed as he is an adult now.

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Underscore__

The idea of killing someone for something they did whilst still in primary school is crazy and I can’t believe there would be any opposition to that.

Prison not being effective is not a reason to start executing people, especially not ten year olds. Prison reform is desperately needed in this country.

I’m not saying that I would want him to live next door to me, I’m not even saying that he shouldn’t still be in jail; I agree that he’s shown he’s still a threat to children. However, I would much prefer to have him living next door to me than see this country abandon justice and human rights by shooting him in the head.

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username402722

If we re-introduced the death penalty even for adults who murder, there would be some who would get away with murder, as some jurors would not be prepared to convict someone and send them to death.