Ann Widdecombe's EU slavery remarks branded as disgusting

Wasnt?
Are you honestly trying to contend that those 2 (nevermind Johnson) were elected by the public to lead? You're obviously lying here then.
Then why do you keep doing it?
I didn't insult you in any conceivable way.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying or the UK political system. I cannot keep repeating myself over and over we don't appoint cabinet ministers including the PM via current the British electoral system.

This is fact

No this just means you dont understand the system.
During an election you do not just vote for your local MP, to be, you de facto pass a vote for the leader of the party and thus the PM.
I never said anything about CM's, that is the prerogative of the chief piggy.

This whole mess is down to a tiny group of hard core remainers, making up a tiny tiny fraction of the electorate and a small fraction of the remain vote being over represented in Parliament despite majority of Parliament standing on brexit manifestos.

Are you completely incapable of ;laying the blame anywhere bare you conspiracy theory of treacherous remainers?

Not to mention the rest of your assertions are opinions bereft of fact, or ironic, ..or simply both.

Another day and we see you continue to mindlessly the parrot the it is someone else's fault for the Brexit train wreck narrative. This whole fiasco could have been avoided if Brexiters had drawn up detailed withdrawal plans before the 2016 referendum. Instead no one bothered and now you are trying to find someone else to blame.

Oh hi, you have a two posts to answer in other topics which I predicted you would ignore because you are wrong!

Thank you for the insult but your written text is proving who is actually, as you described me - mindlessly parroting!

Another day and we see you continue to mindlessly the parrot the it is someone else's fault for the Brexit train wreck narrative. This whole fiasco could have been avoided if Brexiters had drawn up detailed withdrawal plans before the 2016 referendum. Instead no one bothered and now you are trying to find someone else to blame.

Typical bogus and fictitious argument, another construct of the Remain camp. The withdrawal plan was to become independent from the EU, the details were to be negotiated at the table at a later stage but that was all that could responsibly be said. These issues don't really exist, they're just smoke-bombs from Remainers.

Typical bogus and fictitious argument, another construct of the Remain camp. The withdrawal plan was to become independent from the EU, the details were to be negotiated at the table at a later stage but that was all that could responsibly be said. These issues don't really exist, they're just smoke-bombs from Remainers.

You go into negotiations with some kind of plan of what you are trying to negotiate. Instead the UK was woefully underprepared and the negotiations resulted in an agreement that too many people, including hardcore Breixteers, simply did not find palatable.

So thank you for reinforcing my point.

Correct and this was rejected by remainer parliamentarians, dispite then publicly several times saying they support the withdrawal agreement.

There is no way this can be the fault of anyone else other than parliament and the tiny fraction of hard remainers who are desperate to sabotage the process so they can make out

Of course it is, Brexit hasn't happened only because of the sabotaging of the whole thing by the Remain body of interests. They may fool their own but they don't fool us, eh?

You go into negotiations with some kind of plan of what you are trying to negotiate. Instead the UK was woefully underprepared and the negotiations resulted in an agreement that too many people, including hardcore Breixteers, simply did not find palatable.

So thank you for reinforcing my point.

I said insults would follow, please debate and use your superior intellect you believe to hold over me, to prove me wrong.

You can start by explaining for example, ho somebody who lives in say north summerset can they vote for Theresa May, God speed!

Surely this just destroys your original argument that the UK is more democratic? You can't vote for Theresa May because of the first past the Post system.The EU doesn't have that.

I think we need a little virtual tea break, firstly I apologise for if I caused offence asking you If you copied and paste your post. I only asked the question because of the quality of your text (was high) verses that the contradiction that you made within it was clumsy and unlikely (in my mind) to have been written by the person that held such vast knowledge.

Your point I agree with, is that cherry-picking facts certainly happens from both brexiteers and remainers alike to suit their political point. However you seem to be thinking that because I am pointing out of fact that I agree with it, what I am pointing out to you as being incorrect which it is, is not necessarily same as what I agree with. I disagree with the House of Lords and delete the House of Lords should be abolished I also disagree with the unelected bureaucrats of the EU.

I simply have a problem with both of them, You see I am not trying to make svore political point, I'm merely pointing out the flaws in your argument

You didn't point out any flaws in my argument concerning the democratic nature of the EU. All you said was that I made a contradiction (which I didn't, since it is wholly appropriate and common across bipartisan politics to call Brown and May unelected), and then used this erroneous claim to think aloud on whether I plagiarised my researched, factually-based argument.

I appreciate the apology however, in spite of the (misplaced) patronising tone.

If you felt it was patronising I apologise also, it was not intended I was merely explaining why I asked you the question that seems to have brought you such upset for some reason.

You need to take my virtual cup of tea and reread what I wrote and come back with a clearer head.

You simply did make a contradiction, you explained the EU and UK political system and which explains the government is formed, in which we are not a Republic and thus to do vote for a state head directly.

You can use all the big posh words that you like and take offence to anything you wish it to take offence too. In order to smoke screen the fact that you are wrong! We in the UK do not elect a Prime Minister in the same way that you collect a president of a country - you simply don't and you can make all the side shifty comments you like, the fact is we don't and never have. You are wrong!

Not upset, just highlighting your actions. You're being very patronising ("virtual tea break", "come back with a clearer head") for little reason. It's funny as you call out others for using insults, when you're clearly just as bad. Also funny when I was actually engaging without being insulting. I guess actual facts get you a little defensive.

It's also funny that you're actually being patronising to me, since you don't understand what "contradiction" means, and you don't accept the fact that Brown, May at all are considered unelected leaders because their leadership was not formed via a general election. If you don't understand simple words, and don't accept actual facts, then their is little point in me trying to debate with you. You are blinded by your bias, and wilfully ignorant. Shame, really.

No I have not insulted anyone least of all you, in fact i have actually praised the content of your first post. I have now twice apologised for you're misinterpretation of my words. I have tried to be polite and suggest a little breather away from the debate but you misinterpret that as me being insulting also.

I can only do so much, you know? You are now resulting to the remainer stereotypical card of insult when you are defeated. Where as I'm sticking to facts - You don't vote for a PM, you know that, I know that! We vote for local candidates with associations to a party the party and its manifesto is elected - not the PM. However if you actually wrote all that then you already know that

Good day