Right or Wrong doesn't really exist.
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Morality as an abstract arises from the expectations of a society and the desires of the people that constitute that society. E.g. desire to not be murdered, desire to have their property respected, etc.
However, there's a good chance that morality is at least partly genetic, as it seems reasonable that a group with an intrinsic genetic morality would fare better and have more children than a group with no such morality, providing a means for evolution to select for organisms with a subconscious, instinctive moral compass.
However, there's a good chance that morality is at least partly genetic, as it seems reasonable that a group with an intrinsic genetic morality would fare better and have more children than a group with no such morality, providing a means for evolution to select for organisms with a subconscious, instinctive moral compass.
Original post by TheNamesBond.
We're simply the same as for dogs or cats, just more intelligent, dogs and cats have emotions, they know what feels good and what doesn't, they protect things, have some sort of moral compass you could say.
Yet in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off in the middle of the street, ultimately there is no wrong in that, there are the emotions people may feel, irrelevant in the larger scale, there is the life you have deprived, also irrelevant, we're just superior species to all the rest, there's legal and illegal to keep a society functioning, as well as religion to some extent.
But overall I think although you might feel wronged by something or someone, that's just an emotion, a natural biological response to stimuli, negative in this case, in the larger scale there is nothing wrong with punching someone walking down the street, emotions do not mean right or wrong.
Yet in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off in the middle of the street, ultimately there is no wrong in that, there are the emotions people may feel, irrelevant in the larger scale, there is the life you have deprived, also irrelevant, we're just superior species to all the rest, there's legal and illegal to keep a society functioning, as well as religion to some extent.
But overall I think although you might feel wronged by something or someone, that's just an emotion, a natural biological response to stimuli, negative in this case, in the larger scale there is nothing wrong with punching someone walking down the street, emotions do not mean right or wrong.
There is such a thing as right or wrong, guarded by morals and ethical principles, some of the things you say does you no favours as you are only reducing yourself and your human qualities thinking you are the same as a cat or dog
Original post by TheNamesBond.
We're simply the same as for dogs or cats, just more intelligent, dogs and cats have emotions, they know what feels good and what doesn't, they protect things, have some sort of moral compass you could say.
Yet in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off in the middle of the street, ultimately there is no wrong in that, there are the emotions people may feel, irrelevant in the larger scale, there is the life you have deprived, also irrelevant, we're just superior species to all the rest, there's legal and illegal to keep a society functioning, as well as religion to some extent.
But overall I think although you might feel wronged by something or someone, that's just an emotion, a natural biological response to stimuli, negative in this case, in the larger scale there is nothing wrong with punching someone walking down the street, emotions do not mean right or wrong.
Yet in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off in the middle of the street, ultimately there is no wrong in that, there are the emotions people may feel, irrelevant in the larger scale, there is the life you have deprived, also irrelevant, we're just superior species to all the rest, there's legal and illegal to keep a society functioning, as well as religion to some extent.
But overall I think although you might feel wronged by something or someone, that's just an emotion, a natural biological response to stimuli, negative in this case, in the larger scale there is nothing wrong with punching someone walking down the street, emotions do not mean right or wrong.
There are things wrong in accordance of the law, which is derived from moral and ethical principles from religion
i mean, sure, because there's no person/thing to determine what is moral or immoral. but right and wrong still exist on a personal and societal level. you can say that it's just an emotion, but i don't see where that is relevant because emotions are often our driving force; the reason you choose a career path, how you pick friends & a partner etc.
Nice one @Onde
It's been said already but we've evolved to take up emotional responses to certain behaviours because we've evolved as social animals and social animals have to have some kind of social control mechanism (of themselves and others). To this extend moral feelings are 'real' though probably quite elastic according to the specific conditions of the society we're raised in. I suppose it's a little like the way we have evolved to learn and speak language but not ant specific language.
Original post by TheNamesBond.
We're simply the same as for dogs or cats, just more intelligent, dogs and cats have emotions, they know what feels good and what doesn't, they protect things, have some sort of moral compass you could say.
Yet in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off in the middle of the street, ultimately there is no wrong in that, there are the emotions people may feel, irrelevant in the larger scale, there is the life you have deprived, also irrelevant, we're just superior species to all the rest, there's legal and illegal to keep a society functioning, as well as religion to some extent.
But overall I think although you might feel wronged by something or someone, that's just an emotion, a natural biological response to stimuli, negative in this case, in the larger scale there is nothing wrong with punching someone walking down the street, emotions do not mean right or wrong.
Yet in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off in the middle of the street, ultimately there is no wrong in that, there are the emotions people may feel, irrelevant in the larger scale, there is the life you have deprived, also irrelevant, we're just superior species to all the rest, there's legal and illegal to keep a society functioning, as well as religion to some extent.
But overall I think although you might feel wronged by something or someone, that's just an emotion, a natural biological response to stimuli, negative in this case, in the larger scale there is nothing wrong with punching someone walking down the street, emotions do not mean right or wrong.
14 year old reading an entry to philosophy book
I always feel so attacked when ppl mention 14 year olds. 😂😭
Original post by Mess.
14 year old reading an entry to philosophy book
Original post by Obolinda
I always feel so attacked when ppl mention 14 year olds. 😂😭
Sounds like something a 14 year old would say
😂😂 I'm 15 next month tho 
Original post by Mess.
Sounds like something a 14 year old would say
Obolinda May be only 14, but she is a lot more mature than some of the adults on TSR
Original post by Oxford Mum
Obolinda May be only 14, but she is a lot more mature than some of the adults on TSR
literally.
she is more mature than people in their 20s on here.
Lol, u guys 
Original post by angel.xo
literally.
she is more mature than people in their 20s on here.
she is more mature than people in their 20s on here.
Original post by Oxford Mum
Obolinda May be only 14, but she is a lot more mature than some of the adults on TSR
Counterpoint: Right and Wrong is not completely a social construct. I'll give an example. If you looked at your child or a family member, many people have an innate feeling that it is wrong to kill them. Also although there any exceptions the vast majority people feel it is wrong to kill themselves. These feelings of morality are derived from an evolutionary basis that the aim of every living creature is to survive and procreate. Also the greater feeling that is wrong to kill a family member more than a stranger is due to an evolutionary trait given your family contain your DNA. I've probably butchered this point but yeah evolution does an impact on our view on morality to date so its not entirely socially constructed.
TheNameIsBond, you do realise that you are tempting karma to seriously hurt you, or hurt your feelings/experiences via hurt to people who you care about.don't you?
If you don't believe in karma (and I'm not saying you should) then all I'll say is that every sane person should be kept away from you just in case and, on the basis, for public safety, you should be committed to a mental hospital.
Perhaps you might try to avoid this fate by saying that you were just being academic/ theoretical. But life is composed of real stuff- atoms, people, cultures.
Maybe you need to travel more? And make more friends.
If you don't believe in karma (and I'm not saying you should) then all I'll say is that every sane person should be kept away from you just in case and, on the basis, for public safety, you should be committed to a mental hospital.
Perhaps you might try to avoid this fate by saying that you were just being academic/ theoretical. But life is composed of real stuff- atoms, people, cultures.
Maybe you need to travel more? And make more friends.
(edited 4 years ago)
Original post by Oxford Mum
Obolinda May be only 14, but she is a lot more mature than some of the adults on TSR
Agreed, can tell she was raised well (I hope she doesn't mind me saying that!).
Palmyra, yes obolinda really was raised well. When she’s my age she may end up as an international guru
Original post by TheNamesBond.
We're simply the same as for dogs or cats, just more intelligent, dogs and cats have emotions, they know what feels good and what doesn't, they protect things, have some sort of moral compass you could say.
Yet in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off in the middle of the street, ultimately there is no wrong in that, there are the emotions people may feel, irrelevant in the larger scale, there is the life you have deprived, also irrelevant, we're just superior species to all the rest, there's legal and illegal to keep a society functioning, as well as religion to some extent.
But overall I think although you might feel wronged by something or someone, that's just an emotion, a natural biological response to stimuli, negative in this case, in the larger scale there is nothing wrong with punching someone walking down the street, emotions do not mean right or wrong.
Yet in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off in the middle of the street, ultimately there is no wrong in that, there are the emotions people may feel, irrelevant in the larger scale, there is the life you have deprived, also irrelevant, we're just superior species to all the rest, there's legal and illegal to keep a society functioning, as well as religion to some extent.
But overall I think although you might feel wronged by something or someone, that's just an emotion, a natural biological response to stimuli, negative in this case, in the larger scale there is nothing wrong with punching someone walking down the street, emotions do not mean right or wrong.
Your proposition 'right or wrong doesn't really exist' is predicated on the idea that (1) actions we consider moral are irrelevant in the 'ultimate' scale; 'in the larger scale of things, there is nothing really wrong with sawing someone's head off'. You also note that (2) emotions are not reliable for determining the morality of actions; 'you might feel wronged by something or someone, but that's just an emotion'.
Premise (1) is dodgy for two reasons. Reason one is vagueness in language - what exactly is the 'larger scale of things'? Do you mean in the scale of our known universe, in the scale of Earth and nature? Reason two is that there is a gap between the statement and the proposition. Lack of significance - relative to whatever 'larger scale' you choose - does not necessarily entail non-existance. Sure, relative to some larger scale where decapitating someone is irrelevant, it does not follow that a wrong has not occured (if it does not exist it cannot occur).
Premise two I can accept to an extent. Granted, human feelings that exist in the mind do not consistently correlate with reality. However, there is an implication that morality (right and wrong) is only relative to feeligs, which I'm not convinced of as I would subject morality to the laws of logic which can function irrespective to feelings. For example, killing a stranger on the street for no reason is wrong because (1) the perpetrator had no justification for an act that majorly affected another in a negative sense and (2) the act potentially has massive unforeseen circumstances, e.g. killing a leading researcher in medicine with specialist knowledge on the cusp of a discovery etc.
This is more a side note to think on, but if you were to subscribe to Descartes' model of knowledge (knowledge requires an infallible truth), where do you draw the line between what does and doesn't exist (including right and wrong)?
(edited 4 years ago)
You're over-thinking this. The OP asked a dumb question, he asked for proof of the existence of God. The dumb answer is that there is no God, and there can be no proof for the existence of God. He asked for proof of the existence of God because ONLY the actual existence of God could guarantee an objective morality, free from the so-called 'subjectivity' of human beings.
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