Will Brexit be like the collapse of the Soviet Union?

Without EU migrants, we'd be poorer, our surgery and NHS waiting times would be longer, our trains would have less free seats, and our schools would be more overcrowded.

Are you even reading what you are writing?

Yes, are you understanding it? Obviously not.

Mate, its Danny Dorling, Oxford don and the number 1 expert in Brexit voting patterns. I've met Danny a few times, he knows his stuff. I guarantee he knows a lot more about this than you do.

If you disagree with Danny, you're an idiot.

You can't guarantee anything mate when the border is open for any tom, **** or harry to walk over. I want SKILLED immigrants, I don't want polish people with no education claiming benefits and putting pressure on our schools and NHS. What is to stop them coming over? Unskilled immigration is no benefit to this country, we have plenty of people who could do those jobs.

I would say this max influx of unskilled people from the EU has ruined the UK, look at your surgery and NHS waiting times, look at the trains (you will be lucky if you get a seat), look at the schools. Our country has been ruined because of the EU mass immigration of people with little to no education.

No I disagree. Desou is right about this. EU immigration is not the problem. That’s why Nigel Farage stood in front of a poster of people from Muslim countries not of a load of polish people. It’s not Romanians that have blown people up or had rape gangs.

The Tories have blamed Eastern European’s so they can try and get out of being called racist, because conservatives are just cowards.

@desou

Clever think tanks have got all sorts of clever ways to misrepresent the data.

Immigration is indeed a net benefit to the U.K., for instance in particular from the EU.

But in total The reason why it is a net gain is because of the top percentile- eg top business people etc. The bottom quadrant is a huge net loss - eg a cleaner from Cameroon comes here with six children- that’s a huge cost to our nhs, schools etc. The same is true of the impact on wages.

I want SKILLED labour from the WORLD, I want people who can open businesses here and create jobs. I don't want cleaners from cameroon.

Yes, are you understanding it? Obviously not.

This sounds stupid but the economy will go down, and the vibes will change. Will it be similar?

I can’t get a respons on my thread so I’m going to post it on here, I need an psn gamertag, do I go with ik1lledbill, blondenutella or peanutbutter420

It’s capitalism that’s destroying society. I value my children’s happiness and welfare above working for some corporation that views then as replaceable cogs.

Fair enough. So let's all live in commune and eat lentils.

Or you could educate yourself and family and choose your own destiny. That surely is more empowering than sitting around hoping someone else will look after you no?

Fair enough. So let's all live in commune and eat lentils.

Or you could educate yourself and family and choose your own destiny. That surely is more empowering than sitting around hoping someone else will look after you no?

You are living in the past. If we have a truly progressive government for the people and begin Nationalising key industries as well as automation means many of us will not need to work for corporations.

I am basically for a Chinese model with very small scale capitalism on the lower levels, things like pubs, local shops and food and drink. Competition need not exist for most things.

I am not a anarchist layabout. Work is good for society and the soul but it must be meaningful - eg A wide range of public services Roles. Not working in a call centre etc

Interesting. So how do we pay all the wages of the public sector workers? And without large corporations, I take it we would have to do away with any form of technology? Alas the specialisms developed through an efficient capitalist model are not available in a socialist model.

I like your ideas. They just don't work. See USSR and 1980s China for examples.

Yawn

The USSR (for all its flaws) was a successful bastion of anti imperialism, mass wealth redistribution and a technological superpower. The EU is none of those things and is instead a neoliberal asset stripper, mass immigration and other social ills. More people miss the USSR than will ever miss the EU

We'll see EU protections eroded, we might see Scotland leave the UK, we might see renewed troubles in NI, we'll see recession and an end to investment to regions which have often involved EU money. Brexit is a turn to fascism and racism, it's a disaster.

We are not living the 1900s and 1980s. As I said wrong century. Technology is rapidly growing. Why do we need to have x amount of broadband, energy, transport providers?

I would want to lower growth to a more sustainable level land prioritise other things then mindless consumerism.

Yawn

The USSR (for all its flaws) was a successful bastion of anti imperialism, mass wealth redistribution and a technological superpower. The EU is none of those things and is instead a neoliberal asset stripper, mass immigration and other social ills. More people miss the USSR than will ever miss the EU