When debating remainers

Communism removes your chains???? Seriously? Why not go to school and start bettering your own life rather than waiting for someone else to do it?

PS Life is hard. As soon as you embrace that simple fact, life is pretty good in the UK. Brexiteers seem to have lost sight of this simple fact. The grass isn't greener on the other side.

BTW, what do Brexiteers make of Tescos recent Brexit related price hike?

(sarcasm in italics - should have made it clearer that i wasn't a commie, better dead than red )

BTW, what do Brexiteers make of Tescos recent Brexit related price hike?

Just a tip for brexiteerrs: although I happen to agree with remainers about our economy worsening under brexit, most liberal left remainees aren’t actually chiefly concerned by the economy but by moralistic concerns eg they see the eurosceptic movement as intrinsically part of the far right and want to stop it no matter what. If one day the likes of Orban or Salvini were in charge of the EU you can be sure that many if not all liberal labour supporters,,Lib Dem’s and Green Party members would pivot towards Brexit regardless of the economic cost .

The same will be true of any Trump Deal. Therefore even if Theoretically it was true that brexit will be an economic success and you had indisputable facts to prove it, you would not win most of them over.

The liberal left have become reactionary as they can sense their beliefs are under threat and are losing their popular support. There are many reasons why this is the case but one is that they have lost their radicalism- instead of defining themselves as the opposite of Farage (wise in some cases as that may be) they should instead make their own arguments as to what a genuinely left wing alternative should look like.

Uncertainty is all it can be because we haven't left yet, Brexit has not yet happened!

But its all been created by remainer parliamentarians who are frustrating the process. We would of left with a deal now if hard core remainers was not over represented in Parliament!

When debating remainers...... Expect to be insulted told you are stupid, racist and uneducated with no logical explanation. Also dispite remaining clarm and reserved don't expect that hard core person
to listen/understand to you're reply.


Thats about it @Alt Tankie

That's right - parliament is so full of hard core remainers committed to frustrating the process that they voted 498 - 114 in favour of enacting Article 50. That's some fuzzy-logic! A deal was presented to parlimanent and was opposed by all sides of the House - remainers and leavers. The ERG opposed the Chequers deal - so themselves have rejected the best opportunity to leave the EU with a deal. Have they not also frustrated the process?



Let's not pretend that the insults only go one way. Be prepared to be mocked as a traitor, called unpatriotic, & a sellout if you come up against a leaver who wishes to introduce the ad hominem!

Yes this is correct, there are idiots on both sides of the debate I agree with you. Unfortunately remain has more of these people in positions of power, as you just point out - 114 of them voted against triggering artical 50 in the first place! I'm not so sure the idiots of the Leave campaign have any parliamentary reputation, thankfully the Tommy Robinson EDL types have no parliamentary representative.


Look at the facts Cheques was scrapped by Theresa May, it never went to a meaningful vote! TM is a remainer parliamentarian so I'm not having that, The Canada style deal was stopped by Theresa May again a remainer, now the Canada style deal was supported by the ERG so that's fuzzy logic you are using once more! While you are correct about mays deal mk 1 and 2. The exit agreement, previously backed by labour's remain heavy parliamentarians was rejected again by remainers! As I said remainer frustrated the process.

Brexiteers frustrating the process? well if they had not been swept aside I believe it would of all been done now, so no I don't think so but that's open to debate.

If we leave the EU without a deal and our economy is dire, would you support s free trade deal with the US if the EU refuses to renegotiate with us for some time?

I think this is probably true for a great deal of remainers. But a flip argument that mirrors this one can be made about leavers as well.

Most leavers aren't concerned about the economy, they're primarily interested in reducing immigration & 'returning sovereignty' (a phase I deplore!) - but will do so at any cost. Hence the recent polling of Conservative party members which found that they would sacrifice the union & their own party in the name of Brexit; that's not because they're so committed to reducing immigration that they'd like to see the destruction of the union, its because they've become so emotionally attached to their politics that they want their cause achieved under any circumstances.

In the past 3 years theres been a rise of this drippy & nostalgic mentality about "rule Britannia", "we defeated the Germans once before", "we've survived rationing, we can get through Brexit" etc. The argument is now devoid of facts. This goes beyond patriotism - the debate has become shamefully warped. Johnson wrote a piece in the Telegraph over the weekend comparing Brexit to the struggles of landing man on the moon - arguing that all we need is a 'can do attitude'.

A can do attitude.

https://guce.huffingtonpost.co.uk/copyConsent?sessionId=3_cc-session_6522518d-228c-4420-82b7-8a4b228dc6f3&inline=false&lang=en-gb

So as much as there is no convincing some remainers, you'll find that the same is true for many leavers. The argument has become too ostracised and emotionally charged.

Therefore even if Theoretically it was true that brexit will be an economic success and you had indisputable facts to prove it, you would not win most of them over.

Gosh. My understanding was that it was due to the pound having devalued by 15% since 2016. Absorbed so far by profit margins and hedging.

Just a tip for brexiteerrs: although I happen to agree with remainers about our economy worsening under brexit, most liberal left remainees aren’t actually chiefly concerned by the economy but by moralistic concerns eg they see the eurosceptic movement as intrinsically part of the far right and want to stop it no matter what. If one day the likes of Orban or Salvini were in charge of the EU you can be sure that many if not all liberal labour supporters,,Lib Dem’s and Green Party members would pivot towards Brexit regardless of the economic cost .

The same will be true of any Trump Deal. Therefore even if Theoretically it was true that brexit will be an economic success and you had indisputable facts to prove it, you would not win most of them over.

The liberal left have become reactionary as they can sense their beliefs are under threat and are losing their popular support. There are many reasons why this is the case but one is that they have lost their radicalism- instead of defining themselves as the opposite of Farage (wise in some cases as that may be) they should instead make their own arguments as to what a genuinely left wing alternative should look like.