Time for Labour to get a new leadership

Original post by AperfectBalance

Firstly china is not communist and I would only be nationalising Rail, Energy and other very vital things, the rest would be private and have some scrutiny from the government, Unions would also be fully banned.

It’s state capitalist but under a communist leadership. It is ‘actually existing communism’ Where it has used the apparatus of the state to give power to the workers of China for the benefit of the majority,

Unless you have a very firm authoritarian government which won’t last for ever corporations will always take hold eventually, especially in finance eg Rothschild bank.

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Original post by Alt Tankie

Blair who helped privatise the nhs. Bring about tuition fees. I don’t care about pursuing power for its own sake. If I did i’d be a Tory.

I find the disastrous public private partnerships in relation to the rail network more objectionable than the nhs initiatives.

When Blair introduced tuition fees he capped them to a level where the average graduate working full time on the minimum wage would be able to fully repay.
At the start, tuition fees did not apply to students whose parents earned below £34k a year and there were bursaries available for students whose household incomes were below £16k.

Cameron and Clegg were the ones who allowed tuition fees to escalate to unsustainable levels that burdened the taxpayer with mass write offs and large admin costs.

The opposition are not supposed to be a hobbyist protest group or a comedy show.
They are supposed to be a viable means of holding the government of the day to account in parliament and a credible 'change in direction' option for the electorate.
Political power achieved by means of winning elections with a reasonable majority- to enable a change of government and positive improvements to people's everyday lives.

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MJlover

Nope I like Corbyn, I don't remember Labour doing so well in the polls when more to the centre leaders like Miliband were leading the party.

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nulli tertius

Original post by MJlover

Nope I like Corbyn, I don't remember Labour doing so well in the polls when more to the centre leaders like Miliband were leading the party.

Have you ever heard of Clement Attlee and Tony Blair?

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MJlover

Yeah my comment was more contextualized to current political affairs. I think people have had enough of labour not being LABOUR but a tory-lite neo-liberal party that does extend some socially aware policies but doesn't offer grand, thorough structural reform against inequality.

I think income inequality and its transmuted many types of socioeconomic disenfranchisement cannot be solved by Blairite types.

Can't say much about Atlee, I just know that the NHS was founded under his leadership. So thats good.

Original post by nulli tertius

Have you ever heard of Clement Attlee and Tony Blair?

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Original post by londonmyst

a credible 'change in direction' option for the electorate.

... And they are exactly that which has been sorely lacking in the U.K. for decades. This is also why the press, Tories and right wing labour establishment can’t stand them and attack them constantly.

Look across the continent : the respect table centre left are being deservedly slaughtered for sticking to the same washed out third way crap. The only area where this isn’t happening is the U.K. where we have a left wing party worthy of the name.

Blair started the tuition fees off and this made it easier for subsequent governments

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Braxon

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Oh look a Zionist Left wing shill telling us Corbyn is unelectable because a load of Jewish oligarchs have left Labour thats hardly an exodus they should be ashamed of

The British people should rejoice that their politics isn't bought with Zionist money

Truly pathetic when a load of so called Left wingers lecture us on hate and racism while supporting Israel a country that has done nothing but commit ethnic cleansing since its creation. Pathetic.

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Wtf is up with non labour members moaning about labours choice of leader? It’s like me coming into your house and telling you what furniture you’re having.

Then again some of those criticising Corbyn are neocons who are in favour of taking out democracy’s and installing puppet regimes

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Original post by nulli tertius

Have you ever heard of Clement Attlee and Tony Blair?

Miliband is recent, people barely remember Blair and he’s about as popular as ebola.

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AperfectBalance

Original post by Alt Tankie

Wtf is up with non labour members moaning about labours choice of leader? It’s like me coming into your house and telling you what furniture you’re having.

Then again some of those criticising Corbyn are neocons who are in favour of taking out democracy’s and installing puppet regimes

I mean I see no problems in taking out democracy.

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Original post by AperfectBalance

I mean I see no problems in taking out democracy.

Where, abroad eg Venezuela or at home or both?

Why?

As a communist i’m sympathetic to genuine revolutionary movements obviously. Abroad, definitely not unless they represent a direct threat and have already declared war or commenced hostilities.

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Kinyonga

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Can people please stop saying there's going to be a general election, you're going to jinx it.

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Original post by Alt Tankie

... And they are exactly that which has been sorely lacking in the U.K. for decades. This is also why the press, Tories and right wing labour establishment can’t stand them and attack them constantly.

Look across the continent : the respect table centre left are being deservedly slaughtered for sticking to the same washed out third way crap. The only area where this isn’t happening is the U.K. where we have a left wing party worthy of the name.

The current Labour leadership is not credible.
Nor would I define their agenda as a remotely positive one.
Possibly a hobbyist protest group, comedy show or national shame- depending on perspective.
My parents are both Corbyn supporting revolutionary trade union socialists, have been for decades before I was born.

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Original post by Braxon

Oh look a Zionist Left wing shill telling us Corbyn is unelectable because a load of Jewish oligarchs have left Labour thats hardly an exodus they should be ashamed of

The British people should rejoice that their politics isn't bought with Zionist money

Truly pathetic when a load of so called Left wingers lecture us on hate and racism while supporting Israel a country that has done nothing but commit ethnic cleansing since its creation. Pathetic.

Here comes the :troll:

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Original post by londonmyst

The current Labour leadership is not credible.
Nor would I define their agenda as a remotely positive one.
Possibly a hobbyist protest group, comedy show or national shame- depending on perspective.
My parents are both Corbyn supporting revolutionary trade union socialists, have been for decades before I was born.

So what? My parents are Tories!

Credible: to who? Tories? Right wing media? I should hope not!

Agenda:,saying no to pointless wars and against rampant inequality in our society as well as increased spending for public services? That is what the Labour Party should be about at its core which is why he’s the leader.

Corbyn has seen off 2 leadership contests, seen. 2 Tory leaders come and go, won a majority of by elections, gained seats and an increase if the vote in what was predicted by the same exact people as a wipe out for labour.

If Corbyn really was such a joke the establishment would not be ******** themselves and desperately going after him..

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Original post by Alt Tankie

So what? My parents are Tories!

Credible: to who? Tories? Right wing media? I should hope not!

Agenda:,saying no to pointless wars and against rampant inequality in our society as well as increased spending for public services? That is what the Labour Party should be about at its core which is why he’s the leader.

Corbyn has seen off 2 leadership contests, seen. 2 Tory leaders come and go, won a majority of by elections, gained seats and an increase if the vote in what was predicted by the same exact people as a wipe out for labour.

If Corbyn really was such a joke the establishment would not be ******** themselves and desperately going after him..

I grew up with the revolutionaries and was almost deafened by their noise nuisance for 18 years.
I understand what the term "tankie" means.
I don't consider any of the current Labour headship remotely entertaining or their antics to be a laughing matter.

It's been time for like the past 4 years.

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tenacity

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Original post by MJlover

Yeah my comment was more contextualized to current political affairs. I think people have had enough of labour not being LABOUR but a tory-lite neo-liberal party that does extend some socially aware policies but doesn't offer grand, thorough structural reform against inequality.

I think income inequality and its transmuted many types of socioeconomic disenfranchisement cannot be solved by Blairite types.

Can't say much about Atlee, I just know that the NHS was founded under his leadership. So thats good.

What 'grand, thorough structural reform' would you suggest?

The idea that Blairites were soft Tories underestimates both the ambition of Blair and Brown's policies at the time and the draconianism of the Tory party. The minimum wage, freedom of information, the Human Rights Act, gender equality legislation, banning the legal rape of wives by husbands, the Good Friday Agreement, gay partnerships and the equalisation of the legal age for gay sex, lifted millions out of poverty... the list goes on and on and on. He produced an oeuvre of statutes shaped by one coherent political philosophy and they have mostly remained in place in some form ever since.

The Tories would have likely done none of these things between 97 and 07. Blair did not just win three elections, he took huge strides to change this country for the better from a resolutely centre-left perspective.

Corbyn will leave behind absolutely nothing except a career defined by lazily researched virtue-signalling and thousands of selfies with his adoring, imbecilic fans.

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