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Hey there! I just wanted to make a post about those planning to do dentistry after their current or upcoming unergraduate degree. I am going to start my pharmacy degree and then planning to apply to graduate dentistry. anyone in a similar situation? if so, share!
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Hey there! I just wanted to make a post about those planning to do dentistry after their current or upcoming unergraduate degree. I am going to start my pharmacy degree and then planning to apply to graduate dentistry. anyone in a similar situation? if so, share!
I would highly advise against studying an MPharm for the sole purpose of then going into graduate entry dentistry

1 - You will need a 2:1 or First class degree to be able to apply for graduate entry dentistry; this is not an easy thing to achieve

2 - MPharm is 4 years and does not allow you to practice as a Pharmacist without an additional year of pre-reg training (so 5 years in total); you will not be able to locum or make money working as a pharmacist if you only do 4 years, and the pass rates for the pre-reg exam aren't great either if you decide to do the 5th year

3 - Accumulation of student loan will be great, in addition it cannot be guaranteed that there will be student finance available for a second degree in 2023 if there are government cuts in the future which are unpredictable

4 - Graduate entry dentistry is very difficult to get into; there are only THREE universities that offer it; Central Lancashire, Kings College London and Aberdeen in Scotland and they accept very small numbers of applicants; about 15-29 each so that means in the entire UK there are well less than 100 places for graduate entry dentistry. Competition is fierce and you will be competing with people that have stellar A-level grades, experience in all sorts of sectors in Dentistry, high UKCAT scores, plenty of community work, etc and a lot of applicants are medical doctors looking to specialise in MaxFax which requires degrees in both medicine and dentistry.

5 - These graduate entry dental degrees may not be available by the time you finish your degree; I know Liverpool university stopped doing it in 2019 further reducing the amount of places available, who knows maybe by the time you get an MPharm there are only standard entry (5 year) dentistry programs available and you will be paying £9250 a year with no support from student finance.

5 - After 4-5 years of Pharmacy, will you really have the energy to then go into another degree that is much harder and more difficult? You don't know what your position will be in 4-5 years time

6 - I would advise if you have the correct A-Level grades then take a gap year and reapply for a standard entry dental program, if you want to go down the graduate entry route (which is far more difficult) then do a shorter degree like Biomed (3 years) instead of wasting your time doing a longer, harder degree that's going to cost you more money, time, effort and make getting a 2:1/First more difficult, not to mention that it won't allow you to even register as a pharmacist without an additional year making it a bit pointless to an extent.
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I would highly advise against studying an MPharm for the sole purpose of then going into graduate entry dentistry

1 - You will need a 2:1 or First class degree to be able to apply for graduate entry dentistry; this is not an easy thing to achieve

2 - MPharm is 4 years and does not allow you to practice as a Pharmacist without an additional year of pre-reg training (so 5 years in total); you will not be able to locum or make money working as a pharmacist if you only do 4 years, and the pass rates for the pre-reg exam aren't great either if you decide to do the 5th year

3 - Accumulation of student loan will be great, in addition it cannot be guaranteed that there will be student finance available for a second degree in 2023 if there are government cuts in the future which are unpredictable

4 - Graduate entry dentistry is very difficult to get into; there are only THREE universities that offer it; Central Lancashire, Kings College London and Aberdeen in Scotland and they accept very small numbers of applicants; about 15-29 each so that means in the entire UK there are well less than 100 places for graduate entry dentistry. Competition is fierce and you will be competing with people that have stellar A-level grades, experience in all sorts of sectors in Dentistry, high UKCAT scores, plenty of community work, etc and a lot of applicants are medical doctors looking to specialise in MaxFax which requires degrees in both medicine and dentistry.

5 - These graduate entry dental degrees may not be available by the time you finish your degree; I know Liverpool university stopped doing it in 2019 further reducing the amount of places available, who knows maybe by the time you get an MPharm there are only standard entry (5 year) dentistry programs available and you will be paying £9250 a year with no support from student finance.

5 - After 4-5 years of Pharmacy, will you really have the energy to then go into another degree that is much harder and more difficult? You don't know what your position will be in 4-5 years time

6 - I would advise if you have the correct A-Level grades then take a gap year and reapply for a standard entry dental program, if you want to go down the graduate entry route (which is far more difficult) then do a shorter degree like Biomed (3 years) instead of wasting your time doing a longer, harder degree that's going to cost you more money, time, effort and make getting a 2:1/First more difficult, not to mention that it won't allow you to even register as a pharmacist without an additional year making it a bit pointless to an extent.
To be honest with you, I have already applied to dentistry this year and didnt get in, I am an IB student. I decided that I didnt want to go down the biomed route as I wanted to do a degree in something in the medical world and that had a good amount of patient contact. I am genuinly intreasted in pharmacy and love the applied chemistry part of it. I know it is a lot more difficult and demanding than other degrees such as biomed. But I didnt want to do biomed as I know the job prospect of it is not something that im looking for. I also decided to do pharmacy as I wanted to try to keep my options open in terms of the future as I know alot of changes are happening in terms of uni and laws and I dont know if in 5 years it will be possible to study graudate dentistry but I do hope so. I also wasnt 100% sure if I wanted to go into dentistry stright after pharmacy, right now this is the plan, but I also dont know what the futurue holds or if my plans will be changed in 4/5 years. I am still in the research stage. I really appritiate your detailed response though as I do need people to challange my plans to help me alter them and see if they're realsitic enough. I'll give you an Idea of what my plan is in detail:

1) study pharmacy and while studying I am planning to work, and save enough money in the 4 years to pay for my first year/first year and a half of uni. (My Mpharm degree will be paied for by my parents which Im very greatful for!)
2) after pharmacy, I am planning to start my prerej year as soon as I graduate, and continue my prerej year while doing the first year of dentistry (I know it will be difficult but I want to try to push myself, as I'd like to think I am good with time managemnt). OR do my prerej year and then go into dentistry.
3) I am also planning to pay for my dentistry degree without student lown by just working and saving alot during pharmacy and aslo I have been saving for a couple of years so I did get a little bit of a head start. (I also am looking at the NHS bursery which I know might not be avaliable in a few years but its an option to consider)

this is my plan for now. ofcourse it is a plan and I can still change things and rethink things but Im trying to stretch my self as far as I can, I might sound a little but of a workaholic but thats because I am 😂.

Please let me know what you think. I know it will be extreamly demanding mentally and physically and it will require determination. But I am up for the challange, and ready to take over that. I am not doing pharmacy to think its an easy degree I am well aware it is demanding and requires alot of work. But I am intreasted in it and if I had to work for a couple of years or IF my dentistry plan doesnt work out, I still want to be doing a job that I love and will enjoy doing which is why I decided to go for pharmacy. Im also hoping to work in hospital pharmacy, but If Im doing my prerej while doing chemistry I think it will be wiser to do community pharmacy.

I am still in the planning stage, so please feel free to tell me what you think and what your advice would be, that would be very much appritiated!☺️☺️

Also quick question; are you a student or do you work in the health care sector? perhaps pharmacy or dentistry, would love to know and get some infromation!
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I can see you've put a lot of thought into the financial aspect of it and that is great, but just be aware that there are indeed a lot more obstacles that need to be overcome like having the pre-requisite A-level grades, decent UKCAT, work experience, shadowing, etc which is not easy. If you don't have the required A-Level or GCSE grades then there is no point applying for graduate dentistry even with a first class MPharm because you will get automatically rejected.

You absolutely cannot do your pre-reg at the same time as another degree because both are full time, pre-reg is not just an exam you sit at the end of the year, its a year of full time 37-40hours work a week with a portfolio you need to complete along with training days and then a massive exam at the end that tests you on everything you have covered in the previous 5 years. It's simply not something you can do alongside anything else let alone a graduate entry dental degree. The two are incompatible and the GDC sets a 95% minimum attendance rate for dental students as well so it is absolutely and utterly impossible to do both at once regardless of motivation or aptitude.

Try your best and see where life takes you. Good luck.

I am both a pharmacist and a dental student.


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To be honest with you, I have already applied to dentistry this year and didnt get in, I am an IB student. I decided that I didnt want to go down the biomed route as I wanted to do a degree in something in the medical world and that had a good amount of patient contact. I am genuinly intreasted in pharmacy and love the applied chemistry part of it. I know it is a lot more difficult and demanding than other degrees such as biomed. But I didnt want to do biomed as I know the job prospect of it is not something that im looking for. I also decided to do pharmacy as I wanted to try to keep my options open in terms of the future as I know alot of changes are happening in terms of uni and laws and I dont know if in 5 years it will be possible to study graudate dentistry but I do hope so. I also wasnt 100% sure if I wanted to go into dentistry stright after pharmacy, right now this is the plan, but I also dont know what the futurue holds or if my plans will be changed in 4/5 years. I am still in the research stage. I really appritiate your detailed response though as I do need people to challange my plans to help me alter them and see if they're realsitic enough. I'll give you an Idea of what my plan is in detail:

1) study pharmacy and while studying I am planning to work, and save enough money in the 4 years to pay for my first year/first year and a half of uni. (My Mpharm degree will be paied for by my parents which Im very greatful for!)
2) after pharmacy, I am planning to start my prerej year as soon as I graduate, and continue my prerej year while doing the first year of dentistry (I know it will be difficult but I want to try to push myself, as I'd like to think I am good with time managemnt). OR do my prerej year and then go into dentistry.
3) I am also planning to pay for my dentistry degree without student lown by just working and saving alot during pharmacy and aslo I have been saving for a couple of years so I did get a little bit of a head start. (I also am looking at the NHS bursery which I know might not be avaliable in a few years but its an option to consider)

this is my plan for now. ofcourse it is a plan and I can still change things and rethink things but Im trying to stretch my self as far as I can, I might sound a little but of a workaholic but thats because I am 😂.

Please let me know what you think. I know it will be extreamly demanding mentally and physically and it will require determination. But I am up for the challange, and ready to take over that. I am not doing pharmacy to think its an easy degree I am well aware it is demanding and requires alot of work. But I am intreasted in it and if I had to work for a couple of years or IF my dentistry plan doesnt work out, I still want to be doing a job that I love and will enjoy doing which is why I decided to go for pharmacy. Im also hoping to work in hospital pharmacy, but If Im doing my prerej while doing chemistry I think it will be wiser to do community pharmacy.

I am still in the planning stage, so please feel free to tell me what you think and what your advice would be, that would be very much appritiated!☺️☺️

Also quick question; are you a student or do you work in the health care sector? perhaps pharmacy or dentistry, would love to know and get some infromation!
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I can see you've put a lot of thought into the financial aspect of it and that is great, but just be aware that there are indeed a lot more obstacles that need to be overcome like having the pre-requisite A-level grades, decent UKCAT, work experience, shadowing, etc which is not easy. If you don't have the required A-Level or GCSE grades then there is no point applying for graduate dentistry even with a first class MPharm because you will get automatically rejected.

You absolutely cannot do your pre-reg at the same time as another degree because both are full time, pre-reg is not just an exam you sit at the end of the year, its a year of full time 37-40hours work a week with a portfolio you need to complete along with training days and then a massive exam at the end that tests you on everything you have covered in the previous 5 years. It's simply not something you can do alongside anything else let alone a graduate entry dental degree. The two are incompatible and the GDC sets a 95% minimum attendance rate for dental students as well so it is absolutely and utterly impossible to do both at once regardless of motivation or aptitude.

Try your best and see where life takes you. Good luck.

I am both a pharmacist and a dental student.
You seem to have taken a somewhat similar path as the one Im planning to take. I'd love to get some background about how you did it and how it worked out for you! I have sent you a private message as I dont know if you'd want to discuss this on a public post. Looking forward to hear more about how you got to dental school! ☺️
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Hey there! I just wanted to make a post about those planning to do dentistry after their current or upcoming unergraduate degree. I am going to start my pharmacy degree and then planning to apply to graduate dentistry. anyone in a similar situation? if so, share!
Hey @aspiringdentistt it is possible, I don't know anyone personally that went from pharmacy to dentistry, but there are definitely people that have. I even have two friends that studied engineering and art as first degrees. I studied biomed and am now doing undergraduate dentistry. I did not get the IB grades needed for dental school so completed a different degree first. When applying, I called round the unis I wanted to apply to, to make sure they do not look at the sixth form grades for the entry of grad students to their (undergrad or grad) course.
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Hey @aspiringdentistt it is possible, I don't know anyone personally that went from pharmacy to dentistry, but there are definitely people that have. I even have two friends that studied engineering and art as first degrees. I studied biomed and am now doing undergraduate dentistry. I did not get the IB grades needed for dental school so completed a different degree first. When applying, I called round the unis I wanted to apply to, to make sure they do not look at the sixth form grades for the entry of grad students to their (undergrad or grad) course.
Hello there!
I want to say congragulations!! Can I please ask a few qustions as you went through a similar path I wanna go through:
- Can I please ask what year did u apply for dentistry as a graduate?
-Also why did you decide to do the 5 year undergrad course instead of the 4 year graduate course that a few uni's offer like kings?
-Which universities did you apply to?
-may I also ask what grades did you get for IB?

I know the last question is personal, if you dont feel comfortable answeing here feel free to direct message me, or if your not comfortable answering at all thats completly fine I understand. Again, thank you so much for sharing your experience as I find it hard looking for people who went/want to go down a similar path as me that also did the IB. Thank you!
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Hello there!
I want to say congragulations!! Can I please ask a few qustions as you went through a similar path I wanna go through:
- Can I please ask what year did u apply for dentistry as a graduate?
-Also why did you decide to do the 5 year undergrad course instead of the 4 year graduate course that a few uni's offer like kings?
-Which universities did you apply to?
-may I also ask what grades did you get for IB?

I know the last question is personal, if you dont feel comfortable answeing here feel free to direct message me, or if your not comfortable answering at all thats completly fine I understand. Again, thank you so much for sharing your experience as I find it hard looking for people who went/want to go down a similar path as me that also did the IB. Thank you!
Thank you Aspiringdentistt !

-I applied in October 2017, graduated July 2018, began dentistry September 2018.
-I knew that the 4 year is a Very competitive course. As I hadn't applied as a graduate before, I didn't know how strong my application would be (and my ukcat was 650), so decided to not take too big a risk. Re: the grad course, I only applied to Aberdeen 4yr, which I got an interview for, no offer. In hindsight, I would have applied for king's 4 year course instead ( As Aberdeen take about 5 english students, the other 15 are scottish/eu/).
- King's: Where I go now | Newcastle: Offer | Sheffield: Didn't attend Interview (as received other offers) | Aberdeen Graduate course: Interview, no offer. (These unis were the best ones for me to apply to after I did thorough research regarding them. Inc. calling them up and asking loads of questions)
- Uni: 2:1| IB; 36 points; English 6, Biology 5, Chemistry 4, Business Management 7, Maths 6, Spanish 5 and Core 3 (Also, a few unis said they'd look at my gcse's though -8a* and 4a's- but most said they wouldn't).
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Thank you Aspiringdentistt !

-I applied in October 2017, graduated July 2018, began dentistry September 2018.
-I knew that the 4 year is a Very competitive course. As I hadn't applied as a graduate before, I didn't know how strong my application would be (and my ukcat was 650), so decided to not take too big a risk. Re: the grad course, I only applied to Aberdeen 4yr, which I got an interview for, no offer. In hindsight, I would have applied for king's 4 year course instead ( As Aberdeen take about 5 english students, the other 15 are scottish/eu/).
- King's: Where I go now | Newcastle: Offer | Sheffield: Didn't attend Interview (as received other offers) | Aberdeen Graduate course: Interview, no offer. (These unis were the best ones for me to apply to after I did thorough research regarding them. Inc. calling them up and asking loads of questions)
- Uni: 2:1| IB; 36 points; English 6, Biology 5, Chemistry 4, Business Management 7, Maths 6, Spanish 5 and Core 3 (Also, a few unis said they'd look at my gcse's though -8a* and 4a's- but most said they wouldn't).
Thank you for your reply!

How different was applying as a gradguate? did u apply through the university that you did ur undergrad at or just by yourself? also, which unis said that. they'd look at ur GCSE's?

also how imporant are IB/GCSE grades in applying for graduate entry? from what I've seen most universities just have entry requiremnts for your uni grades but I havent seen any universities specifiy anything for GCSE/IB grades for gradguate entry dentistry.
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Thank you for your reply!

How different was applying as a gradguate? did u apply through the university that you did ur undergrad at or just by yourself? also, which unis said that. they'd look at ur GCSE's?

also how imporant are IB/GCSE grades in applying for graduate entry? from what I've seen most universities just have entry requiremnts for your uni grades but I havent seen any universities specifiy anything for GCSE/IB grades for gradguate entry dentistry.
You're Welcome.
-So I thought there might be a big difference, I was worried that I'd be viewed as a non-competitive candidate as my sixth form grades weren't great in bio and chem. However they just looked for the fact that you'd got a 2.1 or above. Again though, you have to be careful and call up the unis to ask whether they look at your school grades or not. I found that my grad personal statement was a lot better than the one at school- which is expected when 3 years have passed.
I applied with help from my uni (they/tutor wrote my reference and uni checked/sent it off after I filled out everything)

-I can't remember which unis said they'd look at my gcse's, you would have to ring them up to check. In my case I wanted them to use my gcse's. Most unis don't use gcse's though, bc why would they look that far back when you already have a degree?

-Again, you'd have to ring the unis, each one is different. GCSEs generally not as important for grads applying. IB- there were some unis that wanted the same grades, or reduced a-level grades. That's why I didn't go for birmingham, uclan, glasgow, Queen's, liverpool, manchester and barts. You would need to call and check.
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