"The future is female" - where do nonbinary folk fit in? Watch

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What does TSR think? Is the slogan exclusionary? Or is it merely a clumsily worded but ultimately positive statement that nonbinary folks can rally behind too?

https://rewire.news/article/2018/11/...its-nonbinary/

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“The future is female.”

It has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?

You can find it in cute, curvy writing on coffee mugs, or written in bold font on trendy T-shirts.

I am a white heterosexual woman who was assigned female at birth and has pushed out two human beings from my vaginal opening. By conventional definitions, I fall very hard within racial, sexual, and gender binaries.

But the more I understand that, the more that I try to raise children to be who they are, the more I’m bothered by “the future is female.”

I know it’s supposed to be a forward-looking slogan that envisions a time where women are given our due.

But the statement reinforces some very backward ideologies. With colonization came the enforcement of sex, gender, and sexuality binaries, and fierce attempts to erase cultures (like many in the Americas and Africa) that recognized gender identities and presentations outside of a binary, something that white people couldn’t fathom. Whiteness, binaries, and oppression go together.

But women who have only one chromosome, a single X, aren’t any less “female” or “woman” than I am. Neither do people with the XY combo have to be “male” or subscribe to any gender.

Are intersex people - who have more or less chromosomes than average - defined solely by their genes or genitalia? There’s more diversity among humanity than what we see on the outside. What about people with less and more chromosomes than "normal"?

The word “female” is still invoked as the "scientific" definition of a biological woman, which incorrectly conflates sex and gender and erases the identities of intersex and nonbinary people. This false definition isn’t just propagated by the far-right. Some self-proclaimed feminist movements, like gender-critical radical feminists (also known as trans-exclusionary radical feminists, or TERFs) or the so-called anti-abortion feminists also use this definition of what it means to be a woman. How either group can call themselves feminists with their narrow ideas of womanhood and stances against reproductive rights, I don’t know.

While we can point the finger at these groups, there’s just as much work to do in feminist circles that believe in real gender justice, circles that should know that genes do not make gender. We can’t embrace a pithy but exclusionary slogan, even one that asserts that we need more nonmen in leadership, especially nonwhite and nonstraight ones.
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this is just the left eating itself up

popcorn needed
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I agree OP, it excludes males. Disgusting.
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this is just the left eating itself up

popcorn needed
Popcorn provided, brother.
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I think its just how its worded to mean not men if that makes sense but if you said 'the future is not men' that would sound terrible so I don't think it specifically means only women. However I am a woman and I don't really agree with many of these 'feminist' movements like 'the future is female' and 'believe all women' so I haven't really payed much attention to them
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That slogan fails at equality at the same stage that feminism does, then tries to push even further down the wrong path.

You can't reach equality by focusing on one sex. Especially not the one that actually has greater rights in law.
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(Original post by AngeryPenguin)
What does TSR think? Is the slogan exclusionary? Or is it merely a clumsily worded but ultimately positive statement that nonbinary folks can rally behind too?

https://rewire.news/article/2018/11/...its-nonbinary/

Summarising the article:

“The future is female.”

It has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?

You can find it in cute, curvy writing on coffee mugs, or written in bold font on trendy T-shirts.

I am a white heterosexual woman who was assigned female at birth and has pushed out two human beings from my vaginal opening. By conventional definitions, I fall very hard within racial, sexual, and gender binaries.

But the more I understand that, the more that I try to raise children to be who they are, the more I’m bothered by “the future is female.”

I know it’s supposed to be a forward-looking slogan that envisions a time where women are given our due.

But the statement reinforces some very backward ideologies. With colonization came the enforcement of sex, gender, and sexuality binaries, and fierce attempts to erase cultures (like many in the Americas and Africa) that recognized gender identities and presentations outside of a binary, something that white people couldn’t fathom. Whiteness, binaries, and oppression go together.

But women who have only one chromosome, a single X, aren’t any less “female” or “woman” than I am. Neither do people with the XY combo have to be “male” or subscribe to any gender.

Are intersex people - who have more or less chromosomes than average - defined solely by their genes or genitalia? There’s more diversity among humanity than what we see on the outside. What about people with less and more chromosomes than "normal"?

The word “female” is still invoked as the "scientific" definition of a biological woman, which incorrectly conflates sex and gender and erases the identities of intersex and nonbinary people. This false definition isn’t just propagated by the far-right. Some self-proclaimed feminist movements, like gender-critical radical feminists (also known as trans-exclusionary radical feminists, or TERFs) or the so-called anti-abortion feminists also use this definition of what it means to be a woman. How either group can call themselves feminists with their narrow ideas of womanhood and stances against reproductive rights, I don’t know.

While we can point the finger at these groups, there’s just as much work to do in feminist circles that believe in real gender justice, circles that should know that genes do not make gender. We can’t embrace a pithy but exclusionary slogan, even one that asserts that we need more nonmen in leadership, especially nonwhite and nonstraight ones.
What a terrible label.

Nonbinaries don't have to fit in. They are already a part of society, just as I am already a part of society.

It's a noisy minority that makes it seem as if there's a huge issue, when it's not really that big of a deal. In fact, the way they talk about it may be what's exacerbating the issue in the first place.

The way the sentence is worded makes it seem tautological. It leaves no room for anything else. The future is also male, asexual animals, etc. - and many women are advocating for men to take responsibility (do a quick google/youtube search if you don't believe me.)

Perhaps the article has glimmers of truth dotted around in it (I haven't read it), but the title isn't all that great.

People will do anything to get views these days...
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this is just the left eating itself up

popcorn needed
"The left" is not, and never has been, a singular ideology.

Or, if we are to accept that there are just two ideologies, right and left, you are surely aligned with the Nazis, by virtue of being right-wing.
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What happened to Orange?
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"The left" is not, and never has been, a singular ideology.

Or, if we are to accept that there are just two ideologies, right and left, you are surely aligned with the Nazis, by virtue of being right-wing.
Who said I'm right wing?

It's a hive of similar ideologies with similar goals but with different ways of going about achieving them. Which is why it's so delicious
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But women who have only one chromosome, a single X, aren’t any less “female” or “woman” than I am.
Maybe you can get away with 'woman', but they are very much less 'female', surely.
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They don't.

Thank you for listening to my speech.
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People don’t take non binary seriously
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People don’t take non binary seriously
Because it’s a ridiculous concept.
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They dont, the most basic biology tells us this.
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Popcorn provided, brother.
Did you just assume these folx' gender, you transphobe? Check your cis white male privilege. /s (Poe's law)
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"The left" is not, and never has been, a singular ideology.

Or, if we are to accept that there are just two ideologies, right and left, you are surely aligned with the Nazis, by virtue of being right-wing.

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They don't.

Thank you for listening to my speech.
TED Talk, surely?
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They dont, the most basic biology tells us this.
Ah yes, but biology is inherently transphobic, hence the Pearson GCSE debacle (the ”what ”gender” (which does have a use in science but should NEVER be used to describe sex) is a given cell). Thank goodness we use AQA.
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Personally i hope the future is guinea pig
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Ah yes, but biology is inherently transphobic.
I mean, it's not, it's more that transphobes know jack all about biology beyond KS3 and use that flawed understanding like a cudgel.


"The future is female" is a snappy but misleading slogan, it's not an actual plan or owt like that - much as some anti-feminists would like to pretend feminism is about the subjugation of men, and use this slogan as proof, modern feminism is fairly clear that gendered structures harm all genders, not just women. That said, it comes from a position of ignoring third genders and the article is quite right that insistence on a binary is a very imperialistic attitude that ignores the richness of cultures around the globe.
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(Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
I mean, it's not, it's more that transphobes know jack all about biology beyond KS3 and use that flawed understanding like a cudgel.


"The future is female" is a snappy but misleading slogan, it's not an actual plan or owt like that - much as some anti-feminists would like to pretend feminism is about the subjugation of men, and use this slogan as proof, modern feminism is fairly clear that gendered structures harm all genders, not just women. That said, it comes from a position of ignoring third genders and the article is quite right that insistence on a binary is a very imperialistic attitude that ignores the richness of cultures around the globe.
Show me how it is biologically possible to be agender/gendervoid/demigender/attack heligender or whatever other non-binary genders there are (with the exception of intersex people, who I do recognise as a third gender).
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you are surely aligned with the Nazis, by virtue of being right-wing.
But the Nazis were self proclaimed socialists.
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