Why is there no pride in England as a country?

So the English Unification of AD927 is a myth you say? Interesting - have you written any papers on your theory?

You realise there is the Yorkshire Party now has seven elected councillors? It doubled its vote share from 1 to 2% in the 2015/17 general elections, then doubled again to 4% in the 2019 European election. Only a matter of time.

"Proud to be British" is normally a phrase that precedes or follows racist or anti-Islamic statements or opinions, so the notion of it has become associated with racism.

There was a group of Sikhs on the news enjoying St George a lot of people of Asia descent are proud to English more than some white British people.

Yes- I know so many people with asian heritage that love celebrating St George's day and the best of england's history.

A lot of British people are ashamed of some of the actions of the british empire and other events that occurred several centuries ago.
Some people have told me that they fear participating in St George's day celebrations will be interpreted as xenophobia, triumphalism or worse.
Of course, no reasonable person wants to be mistaken for one of the criminals of the bnp or britain first.
But celebrating all the best things about a country should never be considered taboo or off-limits.

Why are you denying facts? Yes England became a country in 927 but all the other kingdoms formed into England as well.

Yorkshire is no different to Lancashire, yet you don't see Lancashire wanting independence.

You are just believing in a conspiracy theory.

And it's been stated over and over again by the Yorkshire Party that they want devolved powers, NOT full independence.

Yorkshire is not Scotland, so get that into your head.

Yorkshire is not legally allowed full independence. They're not stupid and deluded.

Just as the union when Scotland joined England the Kingdoms formed the 'UK'.

Where did I imply that every county has an active nationalist movement? If anything Lancashire would rather remain in the union should Yorkshire decide to leave imho.

What conspiracy theory?

Of course they say that, they don't want to scare the horses. Thin end of the wedge.

Nor is Scotland (or Yorkshire) Gurnsey, Eire or India. Not sure what point t you're trying to make there. Also, you're very Yorkshire focused for some reason.

Scotland isn't either, nor was India less than 100 years ago. 25 years ago Wales didn't have devolution, just as Yorkshire and Westmoreland don't now. There are a lot of dumb and deluded folk in Yorkshire. I graduated from York Uni....

Scotland is a separate entity in it's own right. Yorkshire is not. Neither is Cornwall. However there have been reports that Cornwall was once separate from England and was not united with the rest of England by the Saxons. It's easy to see why Cornwall is different as it has it's own culture, it's own language, it's own cuisine and even it's own unofficial national anthem. Yorkshire has neither of those. Cybernats will claim that their region is distinct when it actually isn't and this is the case all over the world. The reality is is that Yorkshire is a Shire county, so it can't secede. If it could then other parts would want to follow. Why do you think none of the states in America are allowed to secede? Same reason. There's a tiny movement in California to secede and become it's own country but it will never happen. Keep deluding yourself, but there are laws that cover various legislation as part of a Treaty and all I'm saying is that Yorkshire can't secede. They can try, but they will not get anywhere. And there is not the popularity to support it either.

Sorry, how is Scotland a separate entity in it's own right? bit of a different legal system, but not separate. Far from separate. Hence the wrangling over the British Transport Police.

Pakistan wasn't an entity at all until it seceded. Gurnsey seceded Normandy.

Which legislation? As you well know a lot of our constitution isn't codified / in legislation. Funnily enough, a lot of the stuff from pre 1066 isn't codified.

Did you purposefully miss the actual intent of the post of mine that you first commented on? ie, you realise this is a massive sidetrack to my substantive point?

Scotland is a separate entity in it's own right. Yorkshire is not. Neither is Cornwall.

Scotland is not a "separate entity", it is part of the United Kingdom.



No part of the United Kingdom can secede. Parts can be granted independence by the sovereign UK Parliament - on whatever basis it sees fit. Southern Ireland couldn't secede from the UK and yet it became independent of it in 1922.

I could insert a facepalm here but I really don't want this to turn into a nasty political debate. Just look up what the Yorkshire Party are trying to achieve. They voted for Change UK but the Yorkshire Party ended up having more results. You claim to think that they're trying to achieve what the SNP are doing, which they're not. The SNP are only held in Scotland's interest, whilst Yorkshire wants devolved powers within the UK. Sorry to say but you started off the discussion by making this "Yorkshire based" whilst I replied to you and told you that's not the case. It really does sound to me that you are just messing about.

Scotland is not a "separate entity", it is part of the United Kingdom.



No part of the United Kingdom can secede. Parts can be granted independence by the sovereign UK Parliament - on whatever basis it sees fit. Southern Ireland couldn't secede from the UK and yet it became independent of it in 1922.

I should have worded it better but what I meant is that Scotland is it's own country. It has a different legislation to England and Wales. It does have legislation that it has within the UK, but it also has it's laws that are separate to the rest of the UK. Yorkshire does not have it's own laws. It has the same laws as England because it's an English county. Devolution is wanting to make decisions for your own region but still gets approval through Westminster. Independence is being completely self-governing. You are in complete control of your own affairs. Westminster can no longer interfere. Some people think that devolved powers is the same as wanting independence when it isn't. To a degree, it is making your own decisions but you are still run by the central government.

I should have worded it better but what I meant is that Scotland is it's own country. It has a different legislation to England and Wales. It does have legislation that it has within the UK, but it also has it's laws that are separate to the rest of the UK. Yorkshire does not have it's own laws. It has the same laws as England because it's an English county. Devolution is wanting to make decisions for your own region but still gets approval through Westminster. Independence is being completely self-governing. You are in complete control of your own affairs. Westminster can no longer interfere. Some people think that devolved powers is the same as wanting independence when it isn't. To a degree, it is making your own decisions but you are still run by the central government.

How do you view the arrangement the City of London has?

Unfortunately, the English Flag as well as the identity of being "English" has become linked with racism and prejudice. If you see someone with an English flag outside their house, you might think they didn't take too kindly to foreigners moving in next door.

I believe a lot of people identify as being "British". I know I certainly do. Most people see themselves as "British" before "English". However, I do agree that Brexit as well as recent economic affairs has been extremely demoralising for cultural identity. I am personally a Brexiteer (not trying to start an argument, just stating where I stand) and I feel that leaving the EU and being able to take back more control of our trade, our workforce, rules and regulations is going to be good. I certainly still feel proud to be a member of this nation - there's so much to be proud of!

Bullsh*t, ask around. Even before the whole 'oh its racist to have a British flag' rubbish, the English were never really that patriotic to begin with. Many used to say it themselves, that you only see patriotism during the world cup otherwise no one really gave two f*cks. I dare you, any guy who claims hes a proud Englishman - put him on the spot and quiz him about England. ask about its history or at the very least ask him to name at least 20 cities in England or point to them on a map of England. Watch how many of them actually get it right....

kinda pathetic that they had to wait for terrorist attacks to happen to use that as an excuse for patriotism 'dying out' when the fact is, it was never really there to begin with.

Bullsh*t, ask around. Even before the whole 'oh its racist to have a British flag' rubbish, the English were never really that patriotic to begin with. Many used to say it themselves, that you only see patriotism during the world cup otherwise no one really gave two f*cks. I dare you, any guy who claims hes a proud Englishman - put him on the spot and quiz him about England. ask about its history or at the very least ask him to name at least 20 cities in England or point to them on a map of England. Watch how many of them actually get it right....

kinda pathetic that they had to wait for terrorist attacks to happen to use that as an excuse for patriotism 'dying out' when the fact is, it was never really there to begin with.