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Prove by contradiction

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Original post by dasda
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What have you tried? The proof is pretty much the same as for 2\sqrt{2}.
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Original post by RDKGames
What have you tried? The proof is pretty much the same as for 2\sqrt{2}.

I cubed both sides and ended up with 2=a^3/b^3. I then put 2a^3=b^3. I then said that b=(2n)^3
Original post by dasda
I cubed both sides and ended up with 2=a^3/b^3. I then put 2a^3=b^3. I then said that b=(2n)^3


You are jumping across landscapes here with this argument. Too many missing links to a point where you're confusing yourself.

Firstly, you need to hammer down the fact that you assume cube root 2 is rational, this means expressing it in the irreducible form a/b where a is some integer and b is a natural number. The irreducible part is key here.

Secondly, you cube both sides and get 2 = a^3/b^3 and this is the same as 2b^3 = a^3. You got this the wrong way round in yours. Be careful!
So, we know that a^3 is even. What does this tell us about a itself?
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Original post by RDKGames
You are jumping across landscapes here with this argument. Too many missing links to a point where you're confusing yourself.

Firstly, you need to hammer down the fact that you assume cube root 2 is rational, this means expressing it in the form a/b where a and b are irreducible. And that's a key word.

Secondly, you cube both sides and get 2 = a^3/b^3 and this is the same as 2b^3 = a^3. You got this the wrong way round in yours. Be careful!
So, we know that a^3 is even. What does this tell us about a itself?

A is even.
Original post by dasda
A is even.


Therefore you can express it in the form a=2na=2n for some integer nn. What next?
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a=2n^3
Original post by dasda
a=2n^3


Nope. Where did that come from?
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Original post by RDKGames
Nope. Where did that come from?

i assumed since a was even and the equation has a^3, we would cube 2n
Original post by dasda
i assumed since a was even and the equation has a^3, we would cube 2n


Yes we do, but you cubed it incorrectly, and didn't write a^3 to indicate it. If you're cubing 2n you need to cube the 2 as well.

(2n)3=23n3(2n)^3 = 2^3n^3
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so 8n^3
Original post by dasda
so 8n^3


Yes, a3=8n3a^3 = 8n^3. What next?
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Original post by RDKGames
Yes we do, but you cubed it incorrectly, and didn't write a^3 to indicate it. If you're cubing 2n you need to cube the 2 as well.

(2n)3=23n3(2n)^3 = 2^3n^3

is it 8a^3=b^3
Original post by dasda
is it 8a^3=b^3


Nope.

We have 2b3=a32b^3 = a^3 so it becomes 2b3=8n32b^3 = 8n^3.
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Original post by RDKGames
Nope.

We have 2b3=a32b^3 = a^3 so it becomes 2b3=8n32b^3 = 8n^3.

this is the step I am unsure about. I would divide both sides by 2
Original post by dasda
this is the step I am unsure about. I would divide both sides by 2


Yep, so b3=4n3b^3 = 4n^3. What does this tell you about about b3b^3 ?? Hence bb ?
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I would say b is even.
Original post by dasda
I would say b is even.


Indeed. Do you see the contradiction now? Since a and b must both be even.

Have a look at my post #4 on this thread and what assumptions we have made if you're not seeing the contradiction immediately.
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Original post by RDKGames
Indeed. Do you see the contradiction now? Since a and b must both be even.

Have a look at my post #4 on this thread and what assumptions we have made if you're not seeing the contradiction immediately.

you assumed that the irrational was irreducible. but we got a factor of 2 and 1 so our assumption is incorrect
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is that a correct line of thinking

Original post by RDKGames
Indeed. Do you see the contradiction now? Since a and b must both be even.

Have a look at my post #4 on this thread and what assumptions we have made if you're not seeing the contradiction immediately.

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