Labour has voted to get rid of private schools

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Exactly. There are parents who work so hard to make sure their kids go to good schools. In many cases it’s not even about privilege, it’s about priorities and hard work. Parents make huge sacrifices to get their kids into some of these schools.

Also, having the private school system helps raise standards all round, even for state schools.

I’m never voting labour again.

Just to say that I am a single parent and my kids were on free school meals at primary school, however they won scholarships and bursaries from a private school. There are no grammar schools in our area either, so they were lucky. Now this opportunity for social mobility will be lost, if Corbyn has his way. But if there is a demand for private schools and parents can and want to pay, I can't see how they can stop them.

Reply 41

Fruli

Original post by Oxford Mum

Absolutely. Parents who want the best education for their kids will find ways round it, which is even worse as it will just go underground and will indeed become a reserve for the privileged. Way to go Corbyn!

Reply 42

__itertools__

Could you also post a link to the source of this information?

Reply 43

Drewski

Show me a school - any school - that doesn't divide kids based on intelligence / aptitude.

Every school puts kids into sets, where they put similar abilities together.

Reply 44

Drewski

Original post by __itertools__

Could you also post a link to the source of this information?

It's in the thread. Post 27. Read the thing before making yourself look foolish. It's also all over the news

Reply 45

username2950448

Original post by nulli tertius

Most independent schools are not private in that sense. You can't say a charity owns Eton. The charity is Eton, and charities are public bodies. Governments can and have interfered in how charities are run.

And if these "charities" don't like it they are more than welcome to drop the tax-related-benefits they accrue as a result of this artificial status.

Reply 46

username4920716

Original post by Eboracum7

I think being able to afford an average £17,000 a year per child on private education, means you're hardly a struggling family.

I don't see why some kids should get a privileged start just because mummy and daddy can dig deep into their pockets.

Merit, not money.

Maybe mummy and daddy worked hard for their money?

Reply 47

username1539513

Can’t say I’m that bothered by this; although in my own opinion I think it would be a better policy to increase funding to state schools and make more grammar schools rather than removing people’s choices to send their children to independent schools

Reply 48

mathspaperfree

Original post by Fruli

Seriously, wtf?

this isn't a good decision, how can you expect children of celebrities and rich members of society to be in the same classroom as your average kid in a state school? Their cultures will clash massively and will create chaos in schools.

If this goes through, then rich kids will be forced to be home schooled, and so they will do even better in their exams.

Then what?

will labour ban home schooling too?

Reply 49

__itertools__

Yes, you are.
What would you say to the private hospitals, for instance? Should they be banned too?

Private schools are a form of segregation does not hold water, at least now with my understanding of the term. You might go to a government funded school (say it is called Pineapple School) in your town. Doesn't that mean you do not socialise with the students going to some other school. Isn't there an isolation? The segregation you mention named wealth, class or intelligence is completely arbitrary. You, by going to the Pineapple school are promoting a segregation between Pineapplarian and non-pineapplarian.

Not to mention, what about the democratic values? Consumers should be allowed to choose the goods they think is best for them. This applies to food, clothing, gadgets and also to education.

Reply 50

Drewski

The only thing I had mixed sets for was PE. Yours seems unusual

Reply 51

mathspaperfree

y

yes it will, the average state school kid doesn't care about school, gets mostly Ds and Cs at GCSE.
The opposite is true for kids who go to private schools.

Clearly you can't face the fact that private school children are on average smarter than state school children, (and it isn't about the quality of teaching or sizes of classes).

It starts from birth, even before that

I could go on for ages, but i haven't got all day to waste

Reply 52

__itertools__

Original post by Drewski

It's in the thread. Post 27. Read the thing before making yourself look foolish. It's also all over the news

Smug! How is asking a humble question being foolish?

Reply 53

username1539513

Original post by mathspaperfree

Private school kids aren’t more intelligent; just achieve more due to the nature of the teaching in private school. I got A’s in my GCSE’s and went to a ****e comprehensive whilst quite a few private school pupils I knew came out with C’s and D’s in their GCSE’s

Reply 54

Drewski

Original post by __itertools__

Smug! How is asking a humble question being foolish?

Because if you can't be arsed to be engaged in the thread properly, why do you think you'll have anything useful to add?

Reply 55

username2950448

Imagine if the wealthy and powerful had to send their kids to state schools, how quickly standards would be raised among state schools...

Reply 56

Drewski

Original post by Palmyra

Imagine if the wealthy and powerful had to send their kids to state schools, how quickly standards would be raised among state schools...

It's nice that you think that.

Back in the real world, however...

Reply 57

__itertools__

Original post by Drewski

Because if you can't be arsed to be engaged in the thread properly, why do you think you'll have anything useful to add?

Please, stop being a bully and presumptuous. When did I say I have something useful (to you anyway, you can't be expected to know what could be useful to everyone) to add? Everyone puts forth what they consider to be constructive. You, on the other hand tell people foolish and give other attributes from their single, kind question.

Reply 58

Guru Jason

Original post by nutz99

Is this a joke or something. Must be total BS as most politicians including Labour send their kids to private schools. Corbyn went to a private school too.

The Corbyn didn't have a choice as a child what school he went to and iirc his own marriage fell apart over the belief he shouldn't send his child to a private school.

Reply 59

Fruli

It’s actually a race to the bottom that will lower overall standards and will actually make first class education a reserve of the wealthy.

Parents should be able to choose where they want to send their kids. So if private schools are abolished, will the Labour Party dictate to parents how to spend the money they would have otherwise used to pay for private school? I’ll tell you, these parents will use that money to pay for private tutoring for their lessons, pay for piano lessons, pay for Latin lessons, pay for elocution lessons, and the list goes on. How will you stop them?

Currently the private schools are setting a the bar high and as a result well managed state schools are actually able to compete at that level, as seen recent trends showing how in inner city state schools in London are getting kids into oxbridge at record numbers.