Democratic Party begin impeachment inquiry against Trump

Asking for 'dirt' in public, with a lot of people listening in. I think he would have asked for it in a more covert way

his supporters won't

thus according to this rather dole concept of democracy he is an illegitimate president. Never mind the fact he cant even speak basic English...

Trump really is a piece of **** for abusing Ukraine's fragile situation in an extortion attempt.

You really need to grow up and develop a better understanding of politics beyond your simplistic right is good left is bad. This isn't about winning or losing. This is about whether a president adused his position of power, an allegation supported by the White House's own transcript.

Fair enough, what do you think of Biden's verified pre-conditioning of US dollars with the sacking of a Ukrainian prosecutor?

Biden has been boasting about his efforts as part of the Obama admin to oust the corrupt prosecutor for doing exactly what he would want him to do (not prosecute corruption) if he and his son had anything to hide.

Funnily enough, elections are exactly about winning or losing.

Maybe you should be the one to grow up and leave behind those fantasies of impeachment.

In a constitutional republic, the masses don't have any right in "winning" against the constitution. Trump Populists seem to think that they live in some ****hole 'demagocracy' where they've elected a dictator.


It's happening.

Good. Only a lunatic would support fighting against the constitution. But what's that got to do with people whining that they want to impeach someone because they can't win an election?

I'll happily take a bet with anyone here and eat a bowl of crap if I'm wrong. Which I'm not. There are no grounds for impeachment and the Ukraine call did not incriminate the president.

What are grounds for impeachment then if witholding agreed payments to another country to extort them for dirt on a potential opponent in the next election isn't?

Quote the exact words from the transcript where you think he said that.

Good. Only a lunatic would support fighting against the constitution. But what's that got to do with people whining that they want to impeach someone because they can't win an election?

Quote the exact words from the transcript where you think he said that.

A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it's something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

So right there we have a clear implied threat as part of extortion: "we've been really good to you, do us a favour" - no-one brings up how good they've been immediately before asking for a favour without the implication being that you owe us and we're calling it in (i.e. if you don't do it, we won't help you any more), and the favour he asks for is to investigate the son of an opposing candidate. Not to mention that he's literally describing shutting down corruption as a horrible thing and very unfair

So right there we have a clear implied threat as part of extortion: "we've been really good to you, do us a favour" - no-one brings up how good they've been immediately before asking for a favour without the implication being that you owe us and we're calling it in (i.e. if you don't do it, we won't help you any more), and the favour he asks for is to investigate the son of an opposing candidate. Not to mention that he's literally describing shutting down corruption as a horrible thing and very unfair

That's pretty weak, and for you to suggest that is justification of impeachment is beyond insane. If you were so concerned about political favours then trump certainly wouldn't be your main concern.

Then again like every thing else, this is just a desperate attempt to clutch at straws to fulfil an anti Trump agenda.

It's not weak at all, it's a clear demand for quid pro quo, him using the office of President and it's diplomatic channels for his personal gain.

You said it was an implication in your previous post, that by definition is not clear. Even if what you are suggesting is true, why are you only choosing to care when it's Trump? That tells me your gripe is not genuine and just a way to get at him, in leiu of any genuine reasons.