'Islam is right about women': Odd signs spark confusion in local town

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I haven't seen anyone give street dawah around this area so no I'm not familiar with it although I've watched videos of it.
Obviously, you are going to have to realise at some point in your life that some areas are different to others so where you're likely to see something in one are, you would be unlikely to see it in another. I guess it's you that really needs to step out.

And street dawah is not as random as a vague piece of paper pinned to a wall.

So because it doesn't happen round your way, it doesn't happen, even though you've seen videos of it happening.
Fair enough.

Reply 21

absoluteconvict

Original post by Chief Wiggum

The liberal left loves both Islam and feminism. Completely nonsensical.

I don't think you're quite getting the meme. It's essentially the "right wing" trolling the lefts cognitive dissonance.

Because if you oppose the sign, well, that's just plain old IsLaMoPhObIa eh? Whereas, if you agree, then you're truly just a dIsGuStIn SeXiSt.

As I said, it's the right trolling the lefts doublethink and logical inconsistency of being pro-Islam while also being pro-feminism/LGBTQ, etc.

*unless ofc if you meant "completely nonsensical" as in the liberal left are completely nonsensical, then I can vouch for that lmao

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Reply 22

Chief Wiggum

Original post by absoluteconvict

We are definitely in agreement with each other!

Reply 23

Welshvisitor

What’s your question ???

Reply 24

Mike Harriot

Original post by Good bloke

That it takes two of them to give an opinion worth the same as that of a man.

This is gravely misleading......

Reply 25

Good bloke

Original post by Mike Harriot

This is gravely misleading......

Let's hear it from the Koran then:

Believers! Whenever you contract a debt from one another for a known term, commit it to writing. Let a scribe write it down between you justly, and the scribe may not refuse to write it down according to what Allah has taught him; so let him write, and let the debtor dictate; and let him fear Allah, his Lord, and curtail no part of it. If the debtor be feebleminded, weak, or incapable of dictating, let his guardian dictate equitably, and call upon two of your men as witnesses; but if two men are not there, then let there be one man and two women as witnesses from among those acceptable to you so that if one of the two women should fail to remember, the other might remind her. [2:282]

It is the very definition of sexist misogyny, deeming women to be less mentally capable than men.

Reply 26

verycoolperson

of course, this is true

Reply 27

jay111a

when will people get it into their heads that muslims are people just the same as anyone else? I dont know enough about muslims to make any form of judgement on their culture but I do know that the Koran preaches peace.I fail.to.understand racism as humans come as standard 2 arms 2 legs and a head, all the same, we just have little differences like zebras who all have different stripes but they are still zebras 🤔

Reply 28

Mike Harriot

Original post by Good bloke

There are 5 "ayats" (verses) in the Quran that mention witnesses, and this is the only one that states the word of a woman is half of a man, so this ayat is only referring to certain cases. It's for financial transactions, and since in Islam the men are usually the ones that work to make money to provide for the family, they would have more financial experience than a woman in an Islamic family. suppose a person wants to undergo an operation for a particular ailment. To confirm the treatment, he would prefer taking references from two qualified surgeons. In case he is unable to find two surgeons, his second option would be one surgeon and two general practitioners who are plain doctors. It is not insulting the natural intelligence of the doctors - they just have less experience and knowledge in that field.

What a way to pick out one verse, and use it as context for the message of the entire Quran.
If, instead of ignorantly spouting claims, you actually wanted to learn, you would know this.

Reply 29

Good bloke

Original post by Mike Harriot

since in Islam the men are usually the ones that work to make money to provide for the family, they would have more financial experience than a woman in an Islamic family.

This is obvious nonsense. Mohammed's own wife was a business woman with more financial knowledge than him. And just how much knowledge do you need to witness a signature (and that is all we are talking about here)?

In any event, that is irrelevant as the verse is very specifically referring to women's ability to remember, not to specialist knowledge.

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Reply 30

Mike Harriot

Original post by Good bloke

Quite the contrary. Which wife are you referring to? And no...It's not just a signature. It's an entire contract. You don't even need witnesses in the first place if the debtor is not "feebleminded, weak, or incapable of dictating".

Original post by Good bloke

In any event, that is irrelevant as the verse is very specifically referring to women's ability to remember, not to specialist knowledge.

This is just you misunderstanding the meaning. Do not worry, it happens. You believe "if one of the two women should fail to remember, the other might remind her" is the same thing as "women have a lesser ability to remember than men". You fail to realise that is far from what the sentence is *literally* saying, it's your own understanding of it. So you are incorrect about it "very specifically referring to women's ability to remember".

I'm baffed

Original post by fallen_acorns

maybe an incel who can't get a woman and likes the idea of arranged marriage/more subservient wives.

That sounds creepy. Who in the right mind would want to be with a woman who dosent love them back? What's the point in that? Islam does not promote the idea of a more subservient wife (apart from being subservient to G-d/Allah)

I think most men either want

1) to be with one good woman who loves him as much as he loves her. A co-dependent relationship where you are best friends and partners in life.
2) accepts being single but dosent want to be ostracized and feared by the rest of society for being some dangerous deviant/sex offender just because he lives alone . #2 is the least we can ask for as men.

All of society caters to women and steps on working class men, it dosent matter the religion. Society is suspicious and fearful of men. Being a woman is just a lot more economically and socially viable than being a man. Capitalism disproportionately screws over men who are not exceptionally smart (high IQ), well-connected or good looking/babyfaced.

This is our current zeitgeist : Men hate men, women hate men, men love women, women love women. Both genders are to blame for our toxic environment, but it's the usual upper class and educated who make up most of the culprits.

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Reply 33

Ragman75

I dont know how people dont get this, its a pretty simple point. It is a statement that highlights the deep contradiction in modern progressism. In that you cannot both believe in modern left wing progressive values of how you see women and believe the ultra conservative position islam holds.