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Reply 64

QE2

Original post by Quady

That rules out no deal?
How?

Original post by ColinDent

Awww bless, still relying on that?

It rules out Leaving with No Deal on the 31st October.
Not that difficult.

Reply 65

QE2

Original post by ColinDent

QE2 obviously needs to learn about article 51 of a different treaty.

The individual and collective right of self-defence against armed attack? How is that relevant?

Reply 66

QE2

Original post by ColinDent

No, just saying there's many ways to interpret things,

Presumably also that only your version is valid?

Have you discovered article 51 of the Vienna Convention yet?

Explain how that could be used by a PM to avoid complying with UK law.

Reply 67

ColinDent

Original post by QE2

Presumably also that only your version is valid?

Explain how that could be used by a PM to avoid complying with UK law.

It is UK law which has failed to comply with that I'm afraid.

Reply 68

QE2

Original post by ColinDent

It is UK law which has failed to comply with that I'm afraid.

In what way?
I can equally assert "The Vienna treaty does not cover this issue".
You claimed that it can be used to circumvent the Benn Act, so you need to explain how. Johnson simply saying "but Article 51 of the Vienna Treaty" will not impress the courts.

Reply 69

ColinDent

Original post by QE2

I'm not the one that would argue it, but there is a gaping wide loophole there 😉

Reply 70

QE2

Original post by ColinDent

I'm not the one that would argue it, but there is a gaping wide loophole there 😉

But you just did argue for it, in several posts now. You claim that A51 of the VT will allow Johnson to avoid asking for an extension and enable a No Deal Brexit on Oct 31.
So, explain what this "gaping wide loophole" is.

Reply 71

imlikeahermit

I have been harping on about this for years. Those who voted leave will be hit hardest because they've been led a merry dance by those who have the funds to survive it, or will economically benefit from it like JRM.

I've got to admit that I find myself rather blaise about it now. I dearly want to remain as part of the EU, but to be fair, let the chips fall as they may, which unfortunately will be extremely damaging to the working classes who voted for this shambles. What's the phrase? Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Reply 72

imlikeahermit

Original post by Rakas21

As bad as these reports sound they are short term and don’t assume any change in wider policy (if we did not take advantage of leaving there’d be no point). For example fishing, not being subject to state aid rules (discriminating in favour of British firms) and no longer (in the long term given the cost) having to apply VAT.

I’m not overly concerned at the content. Brexit is a long term project.

You know, you're right! **** the farmers who will suffer as a result of this vanity project, stuff the rural businesses, screw the big corporate companies who will be pouring out of the country like Davy Crockett at the Alamo, who cares? Captain Pugwash will be better off in the long term!

This is what really pisses me off about you leavers and your economic attitude. You are messing with peoples lives by supporting this farce. A quarter of rural businesses face bankruptcy in the event of a no deal. What do you say to them?

Reply 73

Stiff Little Fingers

Original post by ColinDent

No, just saying there's many ways to interpret things,
Have you discovered article 51 of the Vienna Convention yet?

Article 51 - Coercion of a representative of a State

The expression of a State's consent to be bound by a treaty which has been procured by the coercion of its representative through acts or threats directed against him shall be without any legal effect

Care to explain how the Benn act is affected by this? There's no threats or coercion present in the Benn Act, it's a purely internal affair from the UK.

Reply 74

Rakas21

Original post by imlikeahermit

Your assuming No deal for a start, the possibility of No Deal does not mean we should stop attempting an orderly Brexit.

Reply 75

Nefarious

The fact that most fish in U.K. territorial waters is caught by boats from overseas is not really due to the common fisheries policy, although the policy helped enable it. We sold those fishing rights to European vessels at a fair market value. If U.K. fish stocks were such a priority to successive U.K. governments we could simply have stopped doing so.

Reply 76

Sam1999__

Original post by QE2

Erm, no. Nearly half of all UK exports go to the EU.

Oh, hold on, that can't be right. Leavers keep telling us that Brexit will mean we will be able to trade with other countries, so we must currently export 100% to the EU. Yes?

Only if you base your "patriotism and national identity" on disliking foreigners.

In my experience, if you are going to introduce something through the back door, it's usually better to do it quickly, before they realise what you are up to.

In what way?

Whoah! Back up there a sec. You just claimed that 90% of UK exports already go to countries outside the EU. Therefore we already have these trade deals in place, despite being in the EU which stops us from trading with the wider world.

My apologies, it was a typo which I rectified in a previous post. When I said 10%, I meant 10% of our entire economy, not 10% of exports.

You are correct, bringing in something through the back door slowly is usually the best option, but the EU is not accountable to the people and as such has minimal political opposition meaning things such as the Lisbon Treaty are easily ratified.

Brexit will allow us to reclaim our national identity because many of the important aspects of statehood have been destroyed by the EU. A nation with a foreign court presiding over the national one, open borders and foreign laws is not a nation. A disliking of foreigners has nothing to do with patriotism, it is preserving ones identity and preventing it from being amalgamated with a wider European identity which is being foisted upon the continent. I am British first and European second, the EU is trying to flip this around. My flag is the Union Jack, the flag of the European Union means nothing to me and to see it anywhere near our national buildings is an insult.

Trade deals will be easier as a nation state because the complexities of signing a trade deal with the European Union is immense, one country can veto it and that's where the wider problem lies, the EU is too diverse and different to exist in a single union. Different languages, different economics and different cultures make a one size fits all approach inefficient and impossible. As a nation state we will have a far easier time signing trade deals which the EU has proven incapable of.

Reply 77

Sam1999__

Original post by QE2

There are only around 500,000 EU migrants in low skilled jobs. The consensus amongst experts is that EU migration has a negligible effect on wage levels. What has actually suppressed wages across the board is a decade of unnecessary Tory austerity policies, not a few Polish barmaids and Romanian cleaners.

Kinda is. Certainly in comparison to what the Tory right will do if they are given the chance.

No idea what point you are trying to make there. Please expand.

Nonsense. Didn't you know that the UK can't make its own laws? Thats one of the reasons for Brexit.

Not likely, definitely. Part of the Brexit process involved passing EU directives into UK law so that they will apply after Brexit.
Seems a bit odd though, don't you think? We leave the EU to take back control of our own laws, so we then pass into UK law EU directives that are not currently part of UK law, so they will be UK law.

And what exactly will the 'Tory right' do if they are given the chance? Personally I think people who hate on the Tories are the socialist lovers who love receiving others money. Like it or not, right wing economic policies with a dash of socialism are the most effective means of raising the living standards of a nation, this has been proven time and time again while nearly every country with strong left wing policies have brought nothing but economic misery and corruption. No system is perfect but I would take the Tories over Labour any day right now, especially while Comrade Corbyn and Disaster Abbot are in power.

The UK is the greatest country in the world, unparalleled in human history. No other country, least of all Germany have any right to lecture us on what rights we should or shouldn't apply within our own borders, our forefathers did not pay with their blood to defend us from Germany to allow a German dominated institution to have presiding authority over what laws apply on British soil. Germany and it's shameful past destroy any credibility it may have, not to mention the suicidal asylum policy of Angela Merkel has once again reiterated the damage German domination can do. Thank goodness we are not in the Schengen or the Euro, European integration has been a disaster and recent events prove we need less integration with Europe, not more.

As for the law issue, I refer you to ;
https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/2-631-7191?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1
In addition, many politicians have reiterated that protections existing in EU law will be drafted into UK law upon exiting.

I agree that it appears strange that we would draft some EU law in considering taking back control of our laws was a main selling point of leaving, however some of the basic EU laws are laws we would have drafted in anyway as they are basic rights, it just so happens that we are in the EU so it was dressed up as EU law. Leaving will allows us to retain basic laws and civilised nation would have while throwing off EU regulations and applying regulations that are specific to our nation, not the EU as a whole.

The bottom line is, I believe in Britain. Anything the EU does, we can do at least as well as them, if not better. It's time people had some faith in our nation and dare to believe that we are not inferior to the European Union, we can be friends and trading partners with Europe while retaining our status as a nation. What started as a trade deal has mutated into a political union, something we never asked for. The vote was put to the people and we voted to leave, despite massive opposition from the opposition and establishment.

The media was vastly against Brexit and yet leave won, the EU is wonderful for globalist and multinational co operations but for every day citizens I fail to see the benefit.

Rule Britannia 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧

(edited 4 years ago)

Reply 78

Ragman75

Doesnt mean anything peoples no.1 reason for voting was a principle that they didn't like the EU having any legislative power in our country. The next two reasons also didnt have anything to do with the economy. Im tired of the bs remoaner projection, unlike you people we voted on a principle higher than immediate economic benefit, we voted on what kind of country we wanted as apposed to throwing away our country to soulless bureaucratic corporatism for some intimidate cash.

(edited 4 years ago)

Reply 79

Reality Check

Original post by Sam1999__

Did you copy that from the Daily Express? If not, I suggest you write to them and see if there are any vacancies. Superb tubthumping for the silvery-haired ladies who wish it was 1953 again!