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Should Billionaires Exist in the UK?

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Original post by Burton Bridge
I think that's a phantom problem, regarding Corbyns Jewish problem.

- he says, as a Labour candidate calls a practicing Jew ”Shylock”.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
- he says, as a Labour candidate calls a practicing Jew ”Shylock”.

Can you name any Corbyn/labour polices that will oppress Jews? What danger are they in?
Original post by Rakas21
Income inequality has actually decreased in recent years and indeed the next increase in the living wage (government) will mean that those in full time work are within 60% of median earnings (the definition of relative poverty according to the government).

Inequality as a whole is increasing because asset prices (such as housing or savings/investments) are generally rising and the poor have less appreciating assets.

I shan't comment on the death point.

We can play with figures all we like but the human facts on the ground tell the real story and that litterally is people (disproportionately young WC men) dying on the streets.

Another thing, (which links to the TRTB we mentioned in another thread) is certain assets like you homes value are not a true reflection of personal wealth. You can only make money in the property game if you have several houses, you can never make money on you're personal home.
Original post by Burton Bridge
Can you name any Corbyn/labour polices that will oppress Jews? What danger are they in?

Plenty of Jews say they would leave the country if Corbyn was elected: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/nearly-40-per-cent-of-british-jews-would-seriously-consider-emigrating-if-corbyn-became-pm-1.469270

The last large-scale Jewish exodus was when Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) were elected.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
Plenty of Jews say they would leave the country if Corbyn was elected: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/nearly-40-per-cent-of-british-jews-would-seriously-consider-emigrating-if-corbyn-became-pm-1.469270

The last large-scale Jewish exodus was when Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) were elected.

Can I just mention that saying you will leave the country and actually leaving are two entirely different things. Do you have the means to leave? Where will you go? Where will you stay? What about your assets in the UK? When people argue they will leave, I see it as a grumpy child saying he’s going to leave home but doesn’t take a step beyond the front door. There’s massive immobility involved that no one factors in.
Original post by DJWatson
Can I just mention that saying you will leave the country and actually leaving are two entirely different things. Do you have the means to leave? Where will you go? Where will you stay? What about your assets in the UK? When people argue they will leave, I see it as a grumpy child saying he’s going to leave home but doesn’t take a step beyond the front door. There’s massive immobility involved that no one factors in.

No, they could perform Alyiah to get away from Corbyn. I have a feeling that if he is elected, Jews will be leaving the country rapidly to avoid his Momentum er... holiday camps.
Original post by LiberOfLondon
The last large-scale Jewish exodus was when Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) were elected.


Why do you highlight the word 'Socialist'? National Socialism is a totally different philosophy to Socialism. National Socialism is based on Nationalism and Fascism, and is strongly opposed to socialism and liberalism.

Socialism is characterised by collective/shared/cooperative ownership and workers' self-management (e.g. workers cannot be "fired" without good reason because every worker is equal to everyone else due to their part in collective ownership, so no-one has the authority to tell the worker what to do as long as they're doing their job properly)

Fascism is the opposite of this - it's characterised by authoritarian state ownership and control with absolute power in the hands of the executive. (e.g. workers must do unquestioningly as they are told by those in power)
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Original post by LiberOfLondon
Plenty of Jews say they would leave the country if Corbyn was elected: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/nearly-40-per-cent-of-british-jews-would-seriously-consider-emigrating-if-corbyn-became-pm-1.469270

The last large-scale Jewish exodus was when Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) were elected.

I hold a respect for you you're views are normally sound and rational however exceptionally right wing and I totally reject most of them but, I respect your abilty to voice and campaign for what you believe to be correct.

So with all due respect why highlight the word socialist when you know full well the context of democratic socialism, the type we have seen in this great country, is totally different and incomparable to the Nazis facist regime.

Also just because some friends of the National Liberal Movement, centre-right to right-wing political party in Israel, dont like him and play this card, they are unlikely to carry through with.

So again, Can you name any Corbyn/labour polices that will oppress Jews? What danger are they in?

My guess is you can't
Original post by winterscoming
Why do you highlight the word 'Socialist'? National Socialism is a totally different philosophy to Socialism. National Socialism is based on Nationalism and Fascism, and is strongly opposed to socialism and liberalism.

Socialism is characterised by collective/shared/cooperative ownership and workers' self-management (e.g. workers cannot be "fired" without good reason because every worker is equal to everyone else due to their part in collective ownership, so no-one has the authority to tell the worker what to do as long as they're doing their job properly)

Fascism is the opposite of this - it's characterised by authoritarian state ownership and control with absolute power in the hands of the executive. (e.g. workers must do unquestioningly as they are told by those in power)

Original post by Burton Bridge
I hold a respect for you you're views are normally sound and rational however exceptionally right wing and I totally reject most of them but, I respect your abilty to voice and campaign for what you believe to be correct.

So with all due respect why highlight the word socialist when you know full well the context of democratic socialism, the type we have seen in this great country, is totally different and incomparable to the Nazis facist regime.

Also just because some friends of the National Liberal Movement, centre-right to right-wing political party in Israel, dont like him and play this card, they are unlikely to carry through with.

So again, Can you name any Corbyn/labour polices that will oppress Jews? What danger are they in?

My guess is you can't

Re the ”National Socialism =/= Socialism” point:
Go onto Wikipedia/whatever information source you use.
Look up ”National Socialist Programme” (which was the Nazi manifesto)
You will see it contains this list of points, of which I have helpfully put the *Socialist* ones in bold, and my own comments in italic

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Original post by LiberOfLondon
Re the ”National Socialism =/= Socialism” point:
Go onto Wikipedia/whatever information source you use.
Look up ”National Socialist Programme” (which was the Nazi manifesto)
You will see it contains this list of points, of which I have helpfully put the *Socialist* ones in bold, and my own comments in italic


The term "National Socialists" is a misnomer - they were Fascists, not Socialists. Why don't you look up the definition on Wikipedia for yourself?

Fascism and Socialism are complete opposites to each other. Whatever argument you think you're trying to make by looking for overlap is fundamentally incorrect. It is trivially easy to find overlap between all political ideologies; however it does not follow (i.e. is not logically valid) to claim that some kind of overlap means they are the same thing: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/136/Non-Sequitur

Socialism and Capitalism also overlap with each other yet they are opposites too. For example, "Self determination" is a very significant feature of both Socialism and Capitalism.

A human shares 95% of its DNA with a Mushroom, but that doesn't mean a human is 95% mushroom nor that a human has any significant characteristics in common with a mushroom.
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A thread about billionaires devolving into National Socialism talk. Nice to see Godwin's Law alive and kicking.
Original post by winterscoming
The term "National Socialists" is a misnomer

The Nazis called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so I'm not sure where you're getting the sense it's a misnomer from?
Original post by LiberOfLondon
The Nazis called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so I'm not sure where you're getting the sense it's a misnomer from?

As I explained above, it's a misnomer because they were not socalists, they were fascists.
Original post by MrMusician95
As long as they and their businesses pay their fair share of tax I don't see an issue. It's usually the billionaires who create jobs that employ a great number of people.


If billionares paid their fair share of tax, they would no longer be billionares.
Original post by JMR2019.
If billionares paid their fair share of tax, they would no longer be billionares.

Unless you're assuming a wealth tax of unprecedented proportions, I really doubt that that is true.

Imposing a 70% marginal tax rate on a billionaire won't stop their assets being worth billions.
Original post by JMR2019.
If billionares paid their fair share of tax, they would no longer be billionares.

I dont think this is true, which is all the more reason to make them pay tax and stop avoiding it.
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Original post by LiberOfLondon
The Nazis called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so I'm not sure where you're getting the sense it's a misnomer from?


Yes and North Korea's full name is the 'Democratic Republic of North Korea'. I just don't know why people say they aren't democratic given it's in their name, right?
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Original post by DSilva
Yes and North Korea's full name is the 'Democratic Republic of North Korea'. I just don't know why people say they aren't democratic given it's in their name, right?

The difference being that the Nazis had socialist proposals in the 25 point plan, WHICH I HAVE POSTED UPTHREAD.
Reply 98
Original post by LiberOfLondon
The difference being that the Nazis had socialist proposals in the 25 point plan, WHICH I HAVE POSTED UPTHREAD.

Now you're shifting the goalposts. They also had a lot of pro business proposals and privatised a number of industries. The obvious point being that unlike Communists, Nazis were driven by social policy, rather than economic policy. Economically they were opportunist, socially they were far right.

The idea that they were left wing is shameless historical revisionism.
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Original post by Burton Bridge
We can play with figures all we like but the human facts on the ground tell the real story and that litterally is people (disproportionately young WC men) dying on the streets.

Another thing, (which links to the TRTB we mentioned in another thread) is certain assets like you homes value are not a true reflection of personal wealth. You can only make money in the property game if you have several houses, you can never make money on you're personal home.

Go on "sparreroom" in your city and look for the cheapest accomodation available, it will likely be about £5k including bills. Food can easily be done for £1k a year, chuck in £500 for electronics, clothes etc bringing total yearly budget to £6.5k. You earn this much working 2 8 hour days a week at minimum wage.

Homeless isn't due to the big bad billionaires, it's cause there is no limit on how incompetent people are e.g. making themselves single mums, smoking, getting addicted to drugs, getting in loads of debt.

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