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I applied for the RAF as a Air Traffic Control Sergeant a few months back, only to find out at my filter interview that I didn't have the minimum 5 GCSE's required, even though I was previously told they did and my application was accepted with my qualifications stated (I have 3 normal GCSE's, 2 OCR awards and a Level 3 BTEC qualification from college, the college I attended had previously accepted my 3 GCSE's and 2 OCR awards as 5 GCSE's), obviously some confusion has happened along the lines and it turns out I can't carry on with my application with Air Traffic Control Sergeant.

My recruiter gave me his number and said to call him in a few weeks as I said I'll probably change my role to a ground role which I have the qualifications for, and he will update my application and re-arrange an interview etc for that.

My recruiter also stated that my AST could probably be waived depending on the role I pick, because I've already passed my CBAT. Is there any truth to this?

My initial application was with the thought of being able to move with my girlfriend (been together quite a while) to wherever I was being based at, and support both of us from my salary (she would get a job, but I would want to have the ability to be able to support both of us if she has difficulties doing so, for instance if I was based in Cyprus), also baring in mind that working in the ATC is something I did want to do.

Anyhow, I'm thinking about joining as Police instead, so have a few questions regarding it.

Are people able to afford to support there family from starting at the bottom of the ladder? I understand you will have significantly more money when living in married quarters as opposed to renting/having a mortgage. We don't have kids currently, but would you receive any sort of benefits if you have a child?

Does anyone who is currently serving know around the general price a house on base would cost with all bills (water, gas, electric) would cost?

I also found the Royal Navy Police to be quite appealing, stating that salary is moved up to £33,000 within 2 years of joining, as far as I'm aware in the RAF after 2 years you'll be on around £22,000?

I understand that during training for the Royal Navy Police, you will spend 6 months at sea during training, are you regularly spending time out at sea for months on end after training? And are you moved around every 3 years similar to the RAF?
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With regards to having to sit the AST, that will depend on the role you want to apply for, if it's definitely RAF Police you will need to sit the AST. If you wanted to apply for another Air Ops role (Flight Operation or Aerospace Systems) then a waiver could be looked at.

Only you know whether you can support you and your girlfriend on your RAF salary. You know your outgoings and what you'll have income-wise so you should be able to work out whether it's possible. You've said you've been together quite a while, exactly how long and do you currently live together/have joint outgoings etc. I ask because there is now scope to get quarters on station (once you're past phase two training and posted) even if not married. But, you will need to show a commitment level to be eligible. A joint bank account/bills for example.

The amount a service house will cost will differ depending on where you're based and the level of accommodation available there. You'll only find that out once you know where you're posted and able to speak to the accommodation cell there, unfortunately.

The pay for the RAF Police is identical to that of the Royal Navy. That figure will be from the point you're promoted. You'll be promoted to Acting Corporal once you complete your phase two training and once substantive then you'll be on somewhere around that figure (it will depend where you fall in the pay spine for an exact figure, but it's just over £30K currently.

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With regards to having to sit the AST, that will depend on the role you want to apply for, if it's definitely RAF Police you will need to sit the AST. If you wanted to apply for another Air Ops role (Flight Operation or Aerospace Systems) then a waiver could be looked at.

Only you know whether you can support you and your girlfriend on your RAF salary. You know your outgoings and what you'll have income-wise so you should be able to work out whether it's possible. You've said you've been together quite a while, exactly how long and do you currently live together/have joint outgoings etc. I ask because there is now scope to get quarters on station (once you're past phase two training and posted) even if not married. But, you will need to show a commitment level to be eligible. A joint bank account/bills for example.

The amount a service house will cost will differ depending on where you're based and the level of accommodation available there. You'll only find that out once you know where you're posted and able to speak to the accommodation cell there, unfortunately.

The pay for the RAF Police is identical to that of the Royal Navy. That figure will be from the point you're promoted. You'll be promoted to Acting Corporal once you complete your phase two training and once substantive then you'll be on somewhere around that figure (it will depend where you fall in the pay spine for an exact figure, but it's just over £30K currently.

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Hello Adam, many thanks for the detailed response.

Logically speaking, would you think someone who passed CBAT for everything apart from Pilot wouldn't have an issue doing the AST? My recruiter said that I should be able to get it waived as long as it isn't an engineering role, although he didn't look to sure which is why I asked about it again here.

We've been together for coming up to 2 years currently, which isn't the longest but it isn't a short-term thing. We currently live together but don't have a joint bank account, although I will be looking into that if it is something that can be seen as being committed from the RAF and make you eligible for such housing. Our outgoings will be minimal when I join, and will roughly only be the costs of running a car (around £120-150 per month).

Regarding pay and the Royal Navy, does that mean after being in the RAF for 2 years, you can also expect to have an increase to £30,000+? I understand that you are ranked as Acting Corporal but paid that of a SAC once completed training? I'm not to sure how much that is, I think £20,000? It's just what I've read up.

Reference: http://www.armedforces.co.uk/rafpays...p#.XihrXzL7TIU
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Hello Adam, many thanks for the detailed response.

Logically speaking, would you think someone who passed CBAT for everything apart from Pilot wouldn't have an issue doing the AST? My recruiter said that I should be able to get it waived as long as it isn't an engineering role, although he didn't look to sure which is why I asked about it again here.

We've been together for coming up to 2 years currently, which isn't the longest but it isn't a short-term thing. We currently live together but don't have a joint bank account, although I will be looking into that if it is something that can be seen as being committed from the RAF and make you eligible for such housing. Our outgoings will be minimal when I join, and will roughly only be the costs of running a car (around £120-150 per month).

Regarding pay and the Royal Navy, does that mean after being in the RAF for 2 years, you can also expect to have an increase to £30,000+? I understand that you are ranked as Acting Corporal but paid that of a SAC once completed training? I'm not to sure how much that is, it's just what I've read up.

Reference: http://www.armedforces.co.uk/rafpays...p#.XihrXzL7TIU
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Regarding pay, you'll be acting Cpl after your phase two training and you won't be substantive until you're promoted. This can take up to three years (you'll need annual appraisals and be eligible, the same as any other role). You'll probably find the Navy may be similar as the pay scales are the same. But I can't advise you on the exact timescale for them, obviously, as I don't know their policy and promotion information. You'll need to speak to the RN team about that via their FB page or website.

You will only get the AST waivered (or at least, looked into) if you're going for another Air Ops role. This is because the roles are so similar and the training courses have similar content to the role you originally applied for etc. If it's for a different ground role, you'll need to sit the AST.

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Logically speaking, would you think someone who passed CBAT for everything apart from Pilot wouldn't have an issue doing the AST?

Our outgoings will be minimal when I join, and will roughly only be the costs of running a car (around £120-150 per month).
As a recruiter I saw people with strings of A*s and even degrees fail the AST; in most cases it wasn't so much the standard of questions as the time factor, so if you are required to do it, make sure you practice.

You will have some standing costs to pay out for Mess accommodation, and there will be social events, but remember that until you qualify for service housing there'll be the cost of whatever living arrangements you and your girlfriend make. Remember, it's not just you being overseas that could affect your girlfriend's ability to get a job and bearing in mind flying stations can be a reasonable distance from built-up areas you could be looking at running 2 cars from private accommodation, so she's not too isolated and can visit family and friends, for job interviews and you both getting to work.
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As a recruiter I saw people with strings of A*s and even degrees fail the AST; in most cases it wasn't so much the standard of questions as the time factor, so if you are required to do it, make sure you practice.

You will have some standing costs to pay out for Mess accommodation, and there will be social events, but remember that until you qualify for service housing there'll be the cost of whatever living arrangements you and your girlfriend make. Remember, it's not just you being overseas that could affect your girlfriend's ability to get a job and bearing in mind flying stations can be a reasonable distance from built-up areas you could be looking at running 2 cars from private accommodation, so she's not too isolated and can visit family and friends, for job interviews and you both getting to work.
I will do a lot of practise for the AST if I need to do it, I did quite a lot for the CBAT and it was fairly easy to do, just very mentally exhausting due to the amount of time you are doing it for.

Yeah we have 2 at the moment, but if we need to we will cut down to one and we can’t afford 2, I will be looking into getting accommodation on base eventually, I’m not counting on getting it when we are not married but I will try to.
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I will be looking into getting accommodation on base eventually, I’m not counting on getting it when we are not married but I will try to.
The current rule is "Service personnel who have completed more than 4 years of service and are in an established Long-Term Relationship (LTR(E)) are also eligible to cohabit in surplus SFA, when available."
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The current rule is "Service personnel who have completed more than 4 years of service and are in an established Long-Term Relationship (LTR(E)) are also eligible to cohabit in surplus SFA, when available."
Yes I’ve read that previously, so more likely the case of that I’ll probably be married by the time I’ve done 4 years anyhow.

Do you know about this pay scale with RAF/Royal Navy? Adam said that it’s identical, and the Royal Navy Police pay goes up to £33,000 within 2 years of service which it states multiple times on the Royal Navy Police careers page, does that mean if I join as RAF Police I should also be on a salary of £33,000 within 2 years of service? Unlike the Royal Navy careers page, the RAF Police careers page doesn’t mention that anywhere.
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Yes I’ve read that previously, so more likely the case of that I’ll probably be married by the time I’ve done 4 years anyhow.

Do you know about this pay scale with RAF/Royal Navy? Adam said that it’s identical, and the Royal Navy Police pay goes up to £33,000 within 2 years of service which it states multiple times on the Royal Navy Police careers page, does that mean if I join as RAF Police I should also be on a salary of £33,000 within 2 years of service? Unlike the Royal Navy careers page, the RAF Police careers page doesn’t mention that anywhere.
Ex-recruiter, not current on payscales. Visit your AFCO, especially if it is joint Service.
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Yes I’ve read that previously, so more likely the case of that I’ll probably be married by the time I’ve done 4 years anyhow.

Do you know about this pay scale with RAF/Royal Navy? Adam said that it’s identical, and the Royal Navy Police pay goes up to £33,000 within 2 years of service which it states multiple times on the Royal Navy Police careers page, does that mean if I join as RAF Police I should also be on a salary of £33,000 within 2 years of service? Unlike the Royal Navy careers page, the RAF Police careers page doesn’t mention that anywhere.
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As I stated before, the pay scales are the same, they're armed forces wide, with a few small exceptions here and there. It will depend on when you're promoted to substantive rank of Corporal. When that is will depend on the trade and your own career progression.

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Yes I’ve read that previously, so more likely the case of that I’ll probably be married by the time I’ve done 4 years anyhow.

Do you know about this pay scale with RAF/Royal Navy? Adam said that it’s identical, and the Royal Navy Police pay goes up to £33,000 within 2 years of service which it states multiple times on the Royal Navy Police careers page, does that mean if I join as RAF Police I should also be on a salary of £33,000 within 2 years of service? Unlike the Royal Navy careers page, the RAF Police careers page doesn’t mention that anywhere.

I am serving RAFP.

You will join the Airforce on NERP £15k+, after 26 weeks on your IBD date you will go to £20,000 and a few pennies. You'll likely go up the scales every year which can be found online from OR2-1 to OR2-2 etc... We are supplement 2. You will leave phase 2 as an A/Cpl, paid as an SAC, you'll probably get Sub Cpl in 4-6 years currently, until then you'll go up the pay scale normally.

The RAFP has the best specialisation options out there, the Navy spend a lot of time on boats away from family, and the RMP only have a few locations and things they can specialise in... If all you want is a quick ££ then the Navy might offer that, but it won't be as flexible lifestyle as the RAF I can assure you that.

The can apply for surplus married quarters on any camp by calling Carillion's phone number and applying, no big deal.

Realistically. Your pay in the RAFP in the first few years I would expect to be as follow;

Day 01 joining - £15,672
Week 26 of service - £20,000
1 Year service roughly - £20,814
2 Year service roughly - £22,459
3 Year service roughly - £23,619
4 Year service roughly - £24,843
5 Year service roughly - £26,133
6 Year service roughly - £27,413

There is nothing to say you won't get Cpl after 3 years and jump to £32,154, but its not the norm. I hope that helps your decision.
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I am serving RAFP.

You will join the Airforce on NERP £15k+, after 26 weeks on your IBD date you will go to £20,000 and a few pennies. You'll likely go up the scales every year which can be found online from OR2-1 to OR2-2 etc... We are supplement 2. You will leave phase 2 as an A/Cpl, paid as an SAC, you'll probably get Sub Cpl in 4-6 years currently, until then you'll go up the pay scale normally.

The RAFP has the best specialisation options out there, the Navy spend a lot of time on boats away from family, and the RMP only have a few locations and things they can specialise in... If all you want is a quick ££ then the Navy might offer that, but it won't be as flexible lifestyle as the RAF I can assure you that.

The can apply for surplus married quarters on any camp by calling Carillion's phone number and applying, no big deal.

Realistically. Your pay in the RAFP in the first few years I would expect to be as follow;

Day 01 joining - £15,672
Week 26 of service - £20,000
1 Year service roughly - £20,814
2 Year service roughly - £22,459
3 Year service roughly - £23,619
4 Year service roughly - £24,843
5 Year service roughly - £26,133
6 Year service roughly - £27,413

There is nothing to say you won't get Cpl after 3 years and jump to £32,154, but its not the norm. I hope that helps your decision.
Thanks for the reply, it was exactly what I’ve been looking for by someone currently in the RAFP. I’ve decided that I’ll be applying for RAFP as it just seems to have everything I want and the only reason I’d choose the RNP is because of the guaranteed salary rise.
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