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Consultation: how could PSHE in schools be improved?

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Original post by SoggyCabbages
The results of this 'consultation':

"ERMAGERD MORE LESSONS ON TAXES AND GAYS'.

Something which the Government could have predicted and thinks already. Wasting time and giving the illusion that they are doing something when they already know what they want to do.

It seems a little early to call a result, or to dismiss that result as a waste of time, given that it's been less than a day since the consultation was put out. If you disagree with the suggestions thus far, perhaps making your own would be beneficial?
Original post by shadowdweller
It seems a little early to call a result, or to dismiss that result as a waste of time, given that it's been less than a day since the consultation was put out. If you disagree with the suggestions thus far, perhaps making your own would be beneficial?

It is a waste of time, the snowflakey out of touch liberal government want to make consent, drugs, degeneracy a big part of PSHE already and have said so in the past, this consultation is just a way of them showing us that htey are doing something.
Original post by Saracen's Fez

TSR government consultation
How could PSHE in schools be improved?


As a government we feel that PSHE in schools is not currently fit for purpose. Too often it is taught badly by non-specialists and is not really set up to teach important life skills.

This government we wish to reform PSHE so that it sets pupils up with the skills they need for life: at work, at home, and in civic society – particularly skills where children often do not get much input or guidance at home.

So we want to know what changes you would like us to make to the PSHE curriculum. What topics would you like us to include? What did you or do you have to do within PSHE/citizenship that you thought was not important or useful?

Saracen's Fez
Secretary of State for Education

For context: I am the Education Secretary in the current government within the TSR Model House of Commons. Please visit the MHoC forum for more context, or if you're interested in joining a party, please take a look here.


A few things to say, first things, I remember when mental illness was taught to us, with no warning to any of us. So for those who were suffering at that point, it hit really hard and we felt powerless to do anything because a trigger was put infront of us by teachers. Sometimes it needs to be more sensative to help rather than scare!

Secondly, education around drugs. We get taught the bad stuff, hear the bad stories. It works, sure. But I remember one story about a girl who took ecstesy and died (story summed up) so I had no intention of ever doing it, great. Objection achieved. Until,tried it (the people I was with educated me about it and sat with me during the experience so I felt safe) I suddenly learned the truth, drugs aren't always as dangerous as made out to be. Drugs are fun, until they go bad. Then they go very bad. But when you find out for yourself that they aren't as bad as school said (unless they go that way, which isn't always high chance) then it's all that time wasted. People need to be educated properly rather than trying to scare them away from it, because when they realise, that's when everything goes out the window. Teach peoplethe bad, also teach them how to be safe.
Original post by SoggyCabbages
It is a waste of time, the snowflakey out of touch liberal government want to make consent, drugs, degeneracy a big part of PSHE already and have said so in the past, this consultation is just a way of them showing us that htey are doing something.

As I stated previously, if you disagree with the suggestions thus far, perhaps making your own would be beneficial?
Original post by Glaz
deformed what? :rofl: what the **** is a curly wurly

And yes we do. It's an important issue

It's an important issue yes, but when you say we need to be taught about it, in what sense? Just about it generally or?
Original post by Charlie1o5
It's an important issue yes, but when you say we need to be taught about it, in what sense? Just about it generally or?


Taught about consent, taught that consent must always be gained before any form of sex. They also need to be taught about actual cases of rape and how it destroys people's lives. People just think it's a joke and that everyone exaggerates it but they actually need to be taught that it is important and not a joke
Original post by Glaz
Taught about consent, taught that consent must always be gained before any form of sex. They also need to be taught about actual cases of rape and how it destroys people's lives. People just think it's a joke and that everyone exaggerates it but they actually need to be taught that it is important and not a joke

I like that a lot, agree with you a lot, thank you!
Original post by Charlie1o5
I like that a lot, agree with you a lot, thank you!


PRSOM :tongue:
Original post by shadowdweller
As I stated previously, if you disagree with the suggestions thus far, perhaps making your own would be beneficial?


I'm sorry, who are you?
Original post by SoggyCabbages
LGBT topics, really?

I'm not a gay, trans or what have you but do people really need to be told that some girls like lady gardens some like willy, some girls wanna be boys, some girls decide what gender they want to be when they get up in the morning. It really isn't neccessary.

All you need to tell them is 'don't beat up this boy just because he likes boys'. Which should be included in school policy that students know about anyway,.

Drugs education is stupid, what's the point of telling me that cocaine is bad. It obviously hasn't worked in the last 15/20 years of PSHE because we still have drug addicts.

Consent lessons are stupid anyway, don't rape is obvious.

And putting condoms on cucumbers in class is farsical. Can't say it ever helped me.

Probably the taxes that are done for you by your employer or some other third party on your behalf. There are really very few taxes that individuals really need to know about given off the top of my head all consumption taxes are paid by the entity you're buying from, and for direct taxation if you have to do a tax return it's a simple case of follow the instructions given.

And of course being told incessantly "drugs are bad m'kay" isn't something that already happens. If people take drugs despite being told they're bad now telling them bad another time in PSHE won't stop them. Also quite ironic given it's people who are soft of drugs that are suggesting drug education.
I think it would be a good idea to learn more about other cultures in PSHE, as it would encourage students to be more understanding and accepting of others beliefs and practices. Since things like RS only seem to cover Christian and atheist viewpoints in my experience, it might be useful for students if what is supposed to be learned in RS (for example, religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism - all of which I know nothing about, despite approximately twelve years of RS lessons). Then again, since these were supposed to be covered in the aforementioned RS lessons, I don’t hold out much hope. I also agree that more emphasis should be put on financial topics like loans, rent and mortgages, and on the LGBTQ aspects of sex education. With many people being far more open about their sexualities in today’s world, it is increasingly important that people are educated in safe practices and being accepting of others preferences.
I honestly question how thick the youth of today is if they need dedicated lessons to teach them the basics of finance. So much should be intuitive, or home taught. Even if we suppose it is the role of the state to teach people how to breathe there are better ways of teaching finance, via mathematics is an obvious one given the natural overlap.

If we're going to suggest things that should be common sense let's go for Rhetoric, although that's the sort of thing that, like finance, should really be done as a component of other subjects if it were to return. And being cynical I see there being no chance of seeing rhetoric as a part of formal education for the masses because it means they're better equipped to see through the government's rhetoric.
Original post by Saracen's Fez

TSR government consultation
How could PSHE in schools be improved?


As a government we feel that PSHE in schools is not currently fit for purpose. Too often it is taught badly by non-specialists and is not really set up to teach important life skills.

This government we wish to reform PSHE so that it sets pupils up with the skills they need for life: at work, at home, and in civic society – particularly skills where children often do not get much input or guidance at home.

So we want to know what changes you would like us to make to the PSHE curriculum. What topics would you like us to include? What did you or do you have to do within PSHE/citizenship that you thought was not important or useful?

Saracen's Fez
Secretary of State for Education

For context: I am the Education Secretary in the current government within the TSR Model House of Commons. Please visit the MHoC forum for more context, or if you're interested in joining a party, please take a look here.

I agree with you people need to learn about life skills instead of s*x, s*x, s*x like the UK, GIVE IT A REST!!!
Original post by Glaz
Taught about consent, taught that consent must always be gained before any form of sex. They also need to be taught about actual cases of rape and how it destroys people's lives. People just think it's a joke and that everyone exaggerates it but they actually need to be taught that it is important and not a joke

Here we go again banging on about s*x... I think UK spends more than enough time banging on about s*x and drugs. Kids need to learn life skills and about other religious besides Christianity and Islam (cough the more harmful religions to society in my opinion (C&I))
Original post by Glaz
Taught about consent, taught that consent must always be gained before any form of sex. They also need to be taught about actual cases of rape and how it destroys people's lives. People just think it's a joke and that everyone exaggerates it but they actually need to be taught that it is important and not a joke


Sound like a virgin :tongue:

Does anybody in the real world who isn't some sort of nutty radical feminist that's probably not having sex in the first place actually bother with explicit consent literally every time they have sex?

If we're teaching about how rape destroys lives how about false allegations?
Original post by Jammy Duel
Sound like a virgin :tongue:

Does anybody in the real world who isn't some sort of nutty radical feminist that's probably not having sex in the first place actually bother with explicit consent literally every time they have sex?

If we're teaching about how rape destroys lives how about false allegations?

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The process of buying a house would be something interesting to include. Most of us will buy a property in our lives.
Also, how the courts work. - not everyone will end up in court but transparency
And our political system. - well obviously
All fundamental (well, mostly) stuff :biggrin:
Put it on the same level of importance within Ofsted inspections as qualifications.
(Reduce the power of ofsted anyway :grumble: )

Can this thread not be about Soggy's previous dating attempts please?
Original post by SnowMiku
The process of buying a house would be something interesting to include. Most of us will buy a property in our lives.
Also, how the courts work. - not everyone will end up in court but transparency
And our political system. - well obviously
All fundamental (well, mostly) stuff :biggrin:

Would be helpful for people doing compulsory Jury service.
Original post by Jammy Duel
Does anybody in the real world who isn't some sort of nutty radical feminist that's probably not having sex in the first place actually bother with explicit consent literally every time they have sex?

For a considerable amount of time at the start of my relationship, yes. I'd do the same at the start of any relationship. It's maybe not realistic to expect explicit consent several years into a relationship but explicit consent is important for recognising how comfortable somebody is with you, even if you're several months into a relationship.

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