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Will Brexit be good for Britain?

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Reply 60
No.

From Hansard 1974:
"The increase in the United Kingdom retail price index for food attributable to our membership of the EEC is currently estimated to be between ½ and 1 per cent."

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1974/jul/08/food-prices-eec-membership-effects
Original post by Olly_Hp
85% of the world trade outside of the single market, Connect with nations such as America, Canada, Australia, besides EU nations would have to be complete tossers if they didn't want to trade with us.

The problem with this thinking is that it's not as simple as switching trade from one country to another, a lot of specialist goods are produced on in certain countries (for example a lot of radioactive isotopes are manufactured only in France) and importing these goods after brexit are not only just wanted, but critical for organisations like the NHS (for specialized medicinal equipment) and the energy sector. The other thing we have to consider is that the EU is made up of 27 other countries, while we are a big player and it's certainly a loss to the EU for us to go, it's a bigger loss for us to lose free access to 27 other markets (2 of which are larger than our own).
Reply 62
Can you find me a non Express source please.
Reply 63
Language, Timothy.

I gave you actual data as provided in a parliametary answer from 1974 rather than a 1972 forecast. I'd suggest that's more relevant. And food prices had been increasing significantly since 1970, well before joining the EEC.

Also reducing prices now much further will decimate UK agriculture.
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Reality:
Original post by Ferrograd
It can do, depends on who is leading it and ultimately we have an absolute muppet running Britain, so the chance of success is low. That is, if we don't sell out our country to go from being a member of the EU and having full voting rights etc to being the 51st state of the USA or some protectorate or colony, which looks entirely feasible


Becoming the US’ 51st state?!?

Preposterous.
Reply 66
So no industry needs protection or state intervention?
Reply 67
I see, so you are a free marketeer.

In which case that's definitely not what most Leavers voted for, or indeed the C2DEs in the "red wall".
Original post by Doones
So no industry needs protection or state intervention?

State intervention and protection are not the same thing per say.

I for example believe that tarrifs and subsidies are generally foolish (in the long run the disinflationary benefits of lower prices and taxes are more beneficial in jobs and growth) however I am actually open to preventing foreign control of publicly traded firms and in addition I actually consider not being tied to EU state aid rules in the negotiations to be of vital importance so that a British Investment Bank can provide capital for automation in select industries (small businesses exporting, crop and dairy rather than meat farming).

Generally speaking just providing a direct subsidy or putting up tarrifs is stupid because it's a cost to the consumer or taxpayer with minimal incentive for the firm in receipt to innovate or invest in measures to reduce unit costs. By allowing competition but targettting automation you aid British firms by making them more competitive.
Reply 69
I didn't say all, I said most. Check the postRef polling analysis.
Of course Britain can make a success, people need to stop moaning about it and move on and make the most of the new opportunities that we have. If people stopped sobbing over us leaving the EU, being all doom and gloom and put their effort into seeing the bright side and fantastic opportunities that will be available it will make Britain more successful.

We survived without the EU for hundreds of years and I am quite sure that we will cope without the EU from now on. The EU is a sinking ship anyway and we needed to get out before it went down.
Original post by scorpion95
Of course Britain can make a success, people need to stop moaning about it and move on and make the most of the new opportunities that we have. If people stopped sobbing over us leaving the EU, being all doom and gloom and put their effort into seeing the bright side and fantastic opportunities that will be available it will make Britain more successful.

We survived without the EU for hundreds of years and I am quite sure that we will cope without the EU from now on. The EU is a sinking ship anyway and we needed to get out before it went down.

What about Scotland though. Scots clearly wanted to stay In the EU by an overwhelming majority and now they want to leave according to recent polls that have been conducted
Original post by IbeIC123
What about Scotland though. Scots clearly wanted to stay In the EU by an overwhelming majority and now they want to leave according to recent polls that have been conducted

I think they might get away with remaining. Vote for independence, leave UK, join EU. Sorted. England crumbles more and more. Can’t wait to watch.
Original post by IbeIC123
What about Scotland though. Scots clearly wanted to stay In the EU by an overwhelming majority and now they want to leave according to recent polls that have been conducted

They might have well done but the majority of people who voted in the UK voted to leave the EU. The scots are contradictory as they want to leave the UK but they want to be in the EU which is a lot worse.
Original post by IbeIC123
What about Scotland though. Scots clearly wanted to stay In the EU by an overwhelming majority and now they want to leave according to recent polls that have been conducted

There's only 5.4 million people in Scotland. There are 3mil more people in London.

Who cares about the scots? They can **** off if they want, but they wouldn't survive on their own.
Original post by eeiiiiio
There's only 5.4 million people in Scotland. There are 3mil more people in London.

Who cares about the scots? They can **** off if they want, but they wouldn't survive on their own.

That was the case until the EU came knocking at their door and gave them an olive branch. By themselves, without the union, or the EU could Scotland survive? No. With us in the United Kingdom after Brexit? Yes. Without us, but with access to the EU as we have now? Yes, abso****inglutely.

Scotland will leave the UK, and will join the EU. Heard it here first.
Original post by scorpion95
They might have well done but the majority of people who voted in the UK voted to leave the EU. The scots are contradictory as they want to leave the UK but they want to be in the EU which is a lot worse.

51/49 is not a massive majority. You have, including now students that could now vote, and would vote to remain; still at least half of the UK who wish to remain. That will not change, especially when things go tits up, because it'll be a very well justified 'I told you so.'

Boris has all these grandiose plans of uniting the country after this is done. I will never ever submit to a united country. In my eyes, Brextieers are uninformed idiots who believed the lies that we're pedalled by the only people who will gain from this. I will keep believing this, no matter what Boris' plan of unification looks like.
Original post by imlikeahermit
That was the case until the EU came knocking at their door and gave them an olive branch. By themselves, without the union, or the EU could Scotland survive? No. With us in the United Kingdom after Brexit? Yes. Without us, but with access to the EU as we have now? Yes, abso****inglutely.

Scotland will leave the UK, and will join the EU. Heard it here first.

51/49 is not a massive majority. You have, including now students that could now vote, and would vote to remain; still at least half of the UK who wish to remain. That will not change, especially when things go tits up, because it'll be a very well justified 'I told you so.'

Boris has all these grandiose plans of uniting the country after this is done. I will never ever submit to a united country. In my eyes, Brextieers are uninformed idiots who believed the lies that we're pedalled by the only people who will gain from this. I will keep believing this, no matter what Boris' plan of unification looks like.

It was 52/48 and yes it is a massive majority over 1 million people is quite a big number, have you been in a room with over 1 million people? 4% is much greater than 1% / 2% / 3% not sure how well your maths skills are but if it anything like your remoaner views not highly educated it would seem.

Yeah some students might vote to remain but at the same time students will also vote to leave just like in the referendum. Haha your comment "Brextieers are uninformed idiots who believed the lies that we're pedalled by the only people who will gain from this." you just contradicted yourself as you're the one who believes the other remoaners and EU retoric/dictatorship so you can't exactly use that card.
That poll didn’t include EU migrants or 16 and 17 year olds which are eligible to vote in a referendum up here and you know how they’re are going to vote
Original post by scorpion95
It was 52/48 and yes it is a massive majority over 1 million people is quite a big number, have you been in a room with over 1 million people? 4% is much greater than 1% / 2% / 3% not sure how well your maths skills are but if it anything like your remoaner views not highly educated it would seem.

Yeah some students might vote to remain but at the same time students will also vote to leave just like in the referendum. Haha your comment "Brextieers are uninformed idiots who believed the lies that we're pedalled by the only people who will gain from this." you just contradicted yourself as you're the one who believes the other remoaners and EU retoric/dictatorship so you can't exactly use that card.

He’s talking about a recent you gov poll about views on Scottish independence can’t you read
Original post by imlikeahermit
That was the case until the EU came knocking at their door and gave them an olive branch. By themselves, without the union, or the EU could Scotland survive? No. With us in the United Kingdom after Brexit? Yes. Without us, but with access to the EU as we have now? Yes, abso****inglutely.

Scotland will leave the UK, and will join the EU. Heard it here first.

51/49 is not a massive majority. You have, including now students that could now vote, and would vote to remain; still at least half of the UK who wish to remain. That will not change, especially when things go tits up, because it'll be a very well justified 'I told you so.'

Boris has all these grandiose plans of uniting the country after this is done. I will never ever submit to a united country. In my eyes, Brextieers are uninformed idiots who believed the lies that we're pedalled by the only people who will gain from this. I will keep believing this, no matter what Boris' plan of unification looks like.

That poll your on about didn’t include 16 and 17year olds and EU migrants and you know what side they’re going to swing to

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