'Men's Rights' et al communities becoming more extreme

Worthy quote.

If you were denied the vote and made a second class citizen where you could be raped by your husband legally, how would you feel being called a self-entitled mentally insane terrorist for fighting against that?

I am already a member of my university's feminist society and much, much, much more than just that...but not for the reasons that most are members of such societies.

Fair enough but that's not relevant to the point I was making which was the reason feminists today celebrate the suffragettes was because of their attempt to secure women the vote, not because of their participation in the white feather campaign, as Pinkisk wrongly claimed.

I'm still waiting for your view on male right groups.

I can't see how you can be in support of them as they are in many ways a mirror of feminism. You yourself have pointed out some of the similarities when defending them.

I'm still waiting for your view on male right groups.

I can't see how you can be in support of them as they are in many ways a mirror of feminism. You yourself have pointed out some of the similarities when defending them.

Should we perhaps start support Hitler because his scientists made advances in many areas of science? I would not support a group of people responsible for the deaths of thousands in anything that that they do....I would not erect statutes of them and write books about them glorifying their virtues. Again, you are defending feminism in something that you do not know anything about. You stated that feminism celebrates them for their securing women he right to vote....no they don't feminism celebrate the suffragettes all round for EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID....additionally, the suffragettes did not secure women the vote. That is a misconception and a falsehood....but one that is outside the scope of this debate.

Nice moving of the goalposts there. You said they are held in high regard because they did secure the vote, now you're saying they are held in high regard because they attempted to. You're on the retreat.

They were self-entitled mentally insane terrorists. They were not fighting for the vote, or marriage equality. They were fighting because they were not okay in the head. If they had any sense, they would not do the things they did because that gave credibility to the idea that women were mentally inferior to men. They were essentially the equivalent of a modern-day troll: Hijacking a legitimate cause and making a giant mess of it to get attention.

SuffraGISTs on the other hand were fighting for the vote and marriage equality. That is the group of 1st wave feminists we should hold in high regard. Modern feminism holding suffragettes in high regard is a good indicator of how toxic is its.

I am already a member of my university's feminist society and much, much, much more than just that...but not for the reasons that most are members of such societies.

Feminism = a marxist communist ideology based on marxist, communist principles.
MRM = a random caucus composed of men and women from all walks of life, holding vastly contradicting ideological beliefs fighting against homelessness, and fighting for father's rights, men's rights in marriage etc without any ideological affiliation whatsoever....

How are these two groups the mirror image of each other?

It can't be a retreat if the change made no difference to my argument. It doesn't matter for my argument whether they were held in high regard because they did secure the vote, or because they attempted to secure it. So don't pick up on things that don't matter to my argument as evidence that i'm on the retreat when you're only doing so to avoid my actual argument for which what you've pointed out makes no difference. You're on the retreat.

denied the vote

legally raped by your husband

and then called a mentally insane terrorist for fighting back against that system

I can't speak for them but I will speak for me because I know I will get targeted in this way as well.

Any group that acts in an equally toxic manner as 3rd wave feminism will also see my disapproval. You'll be happy to hear that includes some if not most of MGTOW and serious Incel cancer sites.

However, just like 3rd wave feminism, MGTOW has its levels. There are some that are just adopting the lifestyle and others that are complete AIDS. Incels not so much, they are almost entirely cancerous.

This is completely irrelevant, maybe we shouldn't idolise the suffragettes, I don't care whether they were good people or not.

The point is their involvement in the white feather campaign had nothing to do with feminism and you've still failed to explain a link between feminist ideology and the white feather campaign.

Just because a feminist did something bad, that doesn't mean they did it because of feminism.

You have purposefully misinterpreted modern feminism.
While cherry picking bits of male rights groups you like.


But seeing as how your view of feminism is if your a feminist you have to support all the good with the bad. E.g. if your a modern feminist you are idolising the nutters while supporting female empowerment.

I mean I could do a 2000 word post on all the other stupid crap that MRM groups have done or floated about doing.

Also feminists are not just women. They are a random caucus composed of men and women from all walks of life, who have helped with maternity leave, equal rights and pay in workplace. And many other things.

It's all infantile. Glad you agree.
Everyone is just trying to cash in on victim hood now and it's getting both silly and toxic.

This is just word games at this point. Feminists are brilliant at confusing people with senseless word games.

Your entire argument was that suffragettes were deified by feminists because they supposedly secured the vote, when in reality they didn't. This was pointed out to you and you shifted the goalposts. And now you're claiming that it wasn't your argument to begin with. Okay then?

Strangely enough, most women did not go bat**** insane because of this fact. Most kept their sanity because they realised if they began acting like they escaped from an asylum, they would prove the stereotype correct. Those that today would be referred to as trolls decided to use it as an excuse to act like lunatics and get attention.

This may be hard to understand from a female feminist perspective if you're a woman but most blokes aren't into raping their significant others and never were. I'm not saying it's right if it happens, but I doubt this was a daily worry for the vast majority of women, even in the early 20th century.

No, not all or even most opponents of this system were mentally insane terrorists. The suffragettes were mentally insane terrorists. They may have claimed to be representing all women but they most certainly were not. This is something that modern day feminists do even though not even 1 in 10 women identify as feminist (in the UK anyway), again another reminder of feminism's toxic past and a good indicator of modern feminism's utter toxicity.

Address its inherent nazi like sexism and its link to violence in feminism.

As you describe, the idea of patriarchy is very similar to the Nazi Jewish conspiracy. A certain group is in charge and making everyone else their slaves. That group must be stopped at all costs, even if it involves eventually murdering them all. That's where it leads to.

I'm sorry but that's just not what my argument was.

My argument was that feminist support of the suffragettes had nothing to do with their involvement in the white feather campaign, it was because they secured/attempted-to-secure the vote. I hope you see now that whether they secured it or just attempted to, made no difference to my argument; whichever it was, that is why feminists supported them, not because of the white feather campaign.

It's not strange, humans are good at surviving. However I find it pretty callous to call someone a mentally ill terrorist because they broke under the pressure of rape and tyranny, which is why I asked you how you would feel if you were denied the vote, legally raped, and then called a mentally ill terrorist. It would be good if you could answer!

I think it's you who is struggling to understand. Many blokes felt entitled to have sex with their wives when they wanted and there was no law against rape within a marriage. Many women felt like there was nothing they could do about being used in this way, however some didn't accept that and it's those I am referring to. I don't know how you managed to pivot to the question of whether rape was a daily worry. Regardless, it wasn't rape as we now understand it because it was legal and as I said, most women just went along with it because they didn't even realise they should have the right to object.

They might have been mentally insane terrorists, but given that they were second class citizens subjected to legalised rape I think it's pretty disgusting to call them that because it deliberately ignores the oppression which caused their mental damage.