Chinese state continues pushing conspiracy blaming US for coronavirus

If it was a preventative measure, then the same measures as the sinicization in other Chinese regions would be applied. They were detaining those that were deemed to have a high chance of already being extremists.

Mere 'thought' is not an immediate threat, and you can deal with it without detaining people (which is what sinicization in other parts of China is for). When extremists are already regularly killing people, you can't just deal with it through attempting to reform the local religion, much like when an epidemic is already spreading you can't just deal with it by putting up posters telling people to wash their hands and allowing life to go on as normal.

So they assumed guilt of the men imprisoned? Doesn't sound like a free and fair democracy to mr

So again your line of reasoning is fully consistent with the idea of rounding up entire Chinese communities who have engaged in certain cultural practices such as wet markets and eating certain animals that has directly led to this deadly crisis around the world.

After all, blatantly no other "peaceful" method has worked from the previous SARS epidemic in the country, leading to this latest pandemic.

As I said, that is still not an immediate threat. A religion can be reformed to prevent extremists in the future, peacefully convincing an ISIS soldier that killing people is not good is more difficult. Dealing with the cause is different from dealing with the effect.

Well, if the alternative is just letting religious extremism spread and pretty much starting a war in the region, it's not like they have much choice.

So then we're back again at your support for mass incarceration of a majority who are not extremists. What you're saying now doesn't line up with that as they, too, are not an "immediate threat" unlike individual extremists.

Except they have quite a clear choice, not to that but rather place mass survalence like they have on every single other "free" citizen

Wouldn't removing mass surveillance just make it easier for the extremists to organise and spread their beliefs?

That wasn't the point of the post and you know it

what was the point then?

edit: did you mean just expanding their current mass surveillance system instead of using re-education? because they are also doing that, and using evidence gathered from it to decide who to detain

You see, as much as I hate mass surveillance. I prefer it over mass incarceration without free trial. Shame China isn't a free country though, doesn't matter how much you want to believe it does.

I don't believe China is a free country, I just don't make a subjective factor like freedom the number one issue by which I decide which countries are better or worse. And, imo, Chinese "freedom" is way better than American """freedom""".
But sure, whatever. You prefer the option with more freedom, I prefer the option where less people will die.

I don't believe China is a free country, I just don't make a subjective factor like freedom the number one issue by which I decide which countries are better or worse. And, imo, Chinese "freedom" is way better than American """freedom""".
But sure, whatever. You prefer the option with more freedom, I prefer the option where less people will die.

"What, you don't believe that the Chinese eat babies and commit genocide for fun? You must be a member of the CCP! The credible CIA man told me so!"

No, I doubt all of them, or even a majority, were religious extremists. However, a sufficiently large part of them likely were for mass deradicalisation to be justified. Tell me, if religious extremism wasn't a problem in the region, why would China bother with tackling it?

No.
Yes, it is literally state policy to Hanify (sure that must be a word somewhere) the country.
The fact you're going off on one about the CIA of all people rather demonstrated the credulatiy of your far left wing clap trap though.

Who said i'm right wing?

and what are you blabbering on about harry potter for?

it is a widely know cast iron fact that the CCP hate any and all religions with a firey passion

And what evidence do you have that the area was not but swarming with terrorists?

Equally, extremism in the region is entirely their fault.

with Tibet being the other example par excellence.

Still not a genocide. Reforming a culture ≠ ethnic cleansing.
However, what some of the Uyghur extremists seek is indeed a genocide of Han and Hui Chinese.

The reason I was talking about the CIA is because pretty much every Western source on Xinjiang is financed or had prior links to the CIA.




Oh, what are you then? Third-way fascist? Because you are definitely not left wing.




Is "where the 'evil' countries do 'evil' things for no reason and the 'good' countries always do 'good' things" not clear enough for you? You are accusing China of committing atrocities without suggesting any reason why they commit those atrocities, as if we live in some kind of teenage fantasy novel. Does their ideology require a scapegoat to blame for their failures, for example?



Yes, they are officially atheists. But saying that they 'hate religion with a fiery passion' is a ridiculous overstatement: why are there over 39,000 mosques in China if that is the case?




Exactly, the area was swarming with religious extremists.




Does that matter when those extremists are murdering people? ISIS in Iraq was also the fault of the United States.




Mhm, theocracy good, country with red flag bad.

That link says there was 5 terrorists? Is that it?

I actually had four links there next to each other, but I am willing to provide more once I finish answering the other comments.

Still not a genocide. Reforming a culture ≠ ethnic cleansing.

However, what some of the Uyghur extremists seek is indeed a genocide of Han and Hui Chinese.

The reason I was talking about the CIA is because pretty much every Western source on Xinjiang is financed or had prior links to the CIA.

Oh, what are you then? Third-way fascist? Because you are definitely not left wing.

Is "where the 'evil' countries do 'evil' things for no reason and the 'good' countries always do 'good' things" not clear enough for you? You are accusing China of committing atrocities without suggesting any reason why they commit those atrocities, as if we live in some kind of teenage fantasy novel. Does their ideology require a scapegoat to blame for their failures, for example?

Yes, they are officially atheists. But saying that they 'hate religion with a fiery passion' is a ridiculous overstatement: why are there over 39,000 mosques in China if that is the case?

Exactly, the area was swarming with religious extremists.

Does that matter when those extremists are murdering people? ISIS in Iraq was also the fault of the United States.

Mhm, theocracy good, country with red flag bad.