Chinese state continues pushing conspiracy blaming US for coronavirus

China is a communist state, they don't have freedom as we know it in the west. We're free to talk negatively or protest our government, Chinese citizens aren't.

When you talk about the option where less people die, I'm assuming you're talking about America?

You may or may not know, the media in China is state controlled

I prefer the option where innocent people aren't held captive against their will, and taken away from their families. Try talking to them about the bigger picture. Do you support killing all of them? Would cut down on terrorism after all, and if not, why do you support mass incarceration but not execution.

For me, to justify the mass incarceration there needs to be proof that over 50% of those incarcerated are extremists. What number does the links say?

Obliterating a culutre comes uber the rubric of genocide.

Like?

more of a credulous Chinese stooge to be frank.

You really are spewing utter garbage If you don't know the basic history of China and its political doctrine i have no idea why im even debating this with you

Why are you presenting the article but lying about its content? A bit of a silly move.

You betray your ignorance of what happens in China by comparing it to ISIS

Google:
Genocide - noun:
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group

Like Radio Free Asia. This article explores this further.

You accuse me of being 'credulous' yet you believe far-fetched claims made by Western powers. Also, I do not support modern China in every matter, but I would always sooner side with it over the USA, or any member of NATO. They have done much worse things in the past. Same with the DPRK, Iran or Iraq. It's called "critical support", have you ever heard of it?

Go on, give me a primer then. Until you do, I can say the same thing to you.

Where? Are you talking about the first article I linked? I know it's not quite the same area, but the terrorists did belong to one of the Xinjiang extremist groups.

Easier to blame someone else than to fix your own hygiene standards.

As I said, I prefer the option where less people will die. Killing them all is not that option.



Why 50%? Why not 40%, or 60%? For me, any ratio of extremists to non-extremists is fine, as long as steps are taken to narrow that ratio down as much as possible.


Anyway, here's some further reading on extremism in Xinjiang, as promised:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_Ürümqi_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2013_Bachu_unrest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hotan_attack
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/aug/12/olympics2008.china

Until you can show me a sensible stay that says how many are we cannot debate this further.

Alright then. If a race riot of 1000 people that ended with almost 200 deaths (most of them Han) is not enough to convince you that there is a problem with extremism in the region, then I doubt anything will.

I don't doubt there's a problem, but a solution is not to mass incarcerated the entirity to solve a minority problem. Well not a good solution anyway.
And how do you think the people are going to feel about the main Chinese population once they get out of the camps? They sure as hell aren't gunna be grateful.

I don't doubt there's a problem, but a solution is not to mass incarcerated the entirity to solve a minority problem. Well not a good solution anyway.
And how do you think the people are going to feel about the main Chinese population once they get out of the camps? They sure as hell aren't gunna be grateful.

the idea isn't to make them greatful or like the Chinese. The idea is to give them no choice other then cooperating and living in a way that the gov. wants them to, like it or not. This is a long-game for them.. they hope that more and more with each generation will get on board, or face the consequences, and slowly their culture will convert to one that fits the parties desires. Its not a quick 'educate them for a few years and bang. they are solved' - its a slow generation by generation effort to make them more complient and inline with the rest of the nation. First convince them that there is no hope for a way out and no tolerance for not complying, then show them that their kids can have better futures if they play along, and then let time do the rest.

They didn't detain the entirety of the region, just those they believed to have a high chance of being extremists. The population of Xinjiang is 22 million, but the highest estimate I've heard of the number of people that were detained at some point was 3 million, and the number of people detained at any one time is likely to be far lower.

Your second point is not bad, but it depends on the conditions within the centres, of which there is not much quality evidence.

Sounds a lot like cultural genocide.

Its not really genocide as such.. more submission. Its 'you can have your differences, as long as they are submissive under our ideas/culture'.

I mean its still not good, but I would just keep the word 'genocide' for very extreme cases.

My opinion is China wanted to release a controlled virus to take the world's eye off the Hong Kong protests but grossly miscalculated and now we are where we are. Let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time the Chinese government has should a complete disregard for their own citizens lives.

That would have made more sense if they had done it last summer.. but the HK protests were already loosing steam, and barely being talked about internationally.. China was already winning, why do this?