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Two Further Maths Questions

1) How do you do 8c quickly if it is 1 mark and consequently 8d?

2) Why is my answer to 9c nothing like the show that?



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Original post by wbanner2001
1) How do you do 8c quickly if it is 1 mark and consequently 8d?

2) Why is my answer to 9c nothing like the show that?



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Original post by wbanner2001
1) How do you do 8c quickly if it is 1 mark and consequently 8d?

2) Why is my answer to 9c nothing like the show that?


9c. You need to get it in the form x+iy before you can isolate the real part like that. So, mupltiply top & bottom by the complex conjugate of the denominator.
Original post by Silurianwarrior1
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I think this is correct?? Let me know.
It’s just playing around with the matrix identities.
So essentially M^-1 is equal to the transposed Matrix

Hence why only 1 Mark. I have absolutely no idea if that correct though...


I got M^-1 = 1/18 M^T in the end for part c as replacing I with MM^-1 gives:
MM^T = 18MM^-1
M^T = 18 M^-1
M^-1 = 1/18 M^T

I am confusing myself over d now though aha. Thanks for the response 🙏
Original post by Silurianwarrior1

I think this is correct?? Let me know.
It’s just playing around with the matrix identities.
So essentially M^-1 is equal to the transposed Matrix

Hence why only 1 Mark. I have absolutely no idea if that correct though...


Not correct. You cannot cancel matrices like that generally, so don't get into that habit, although it's premitted here since this matrix is I.

Original post by wbanner2001
1) How do you do 8c quickly if it is 1 mark and consequently 8d?

2) Why is my answer to 9c nothing like the show that?


The fact that MMT=kIMM^T = kI means that M,MTM,M^T are pretty much inverses of each other. Not exactly though, because if they were then MMT=IMM^T = I where k=1k=1 but you already correctly determined it is k=18k=18, so we would obtain a contradiction in saying that.

Just take their fact and divide by kk then it's clear that

1kMMT=I\dfrac{1}{k}MM^T = I

so obviously you now have MM being multiplied by 1kMT\frac{1}{k}M^T which outputs the identity matrix... not much to say here other than realise that this necessarily means M1=1kMTM^{-1} = \frac{1}{k}M^T.
Original post by ghostwalker
9c. You need to get it in the form x+iy before you can isolate the real part like that. So, mupltiply top & bottom by the complex conjugate of the denominator.


I realised the denominator without converting it into x+iy form first and that worked - thank you!
For 9d I did this but got sin 2x = -4 which
is obviously invalid so can you see what I did wrong?


ghostwalker7842412
9c. You need to get it in the form x+iy before you can isolate the real part like that. So, mupltiply top & bottom by the complex conjugate of the denominator.


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Original post by Silurianwarrior1
You CAN cancel IDENTITY matrices...
Hence why I cancelled them out. My answer of M^T = K(M^-1) is what you achieved also...


That's what I effectively said, but more importantly I told you to not get into the habit of cancelling out matrices between both sides. You cannot divide by a matrix and multiplication is not commutative.

ABC=DBEABC = DBE does not mean AC=DEAC = DE.

You should take these properties more seriously by instead of putting a slash through II, instead note that II is such a matrix so that AI=IA=AAI=IA=A. Also, since we don't have commutativity, you need to pre-multiply or post-multiply by M1M^{-1}. Hence the correct practice to get into for matrices is as follows;

MMT=kIMM^T = kI

M1MMT=kM1IM^{-1}MM^T = kM^{-1}I

IMT=kM1IM^T = kM^{-1}

MT=kM1M^T = kM^{-1}


where at no point have I 'cancelled' out common matrices between both sides, and I have strictly pre-multiplied both sides by M1M^{-1}.
Original post by wbanner2001
For 9d I did this but got sin 2x = -4 which
is obviously invalid so can you see what I did wrong?


I would suggest checking the formula you have for S - you've not posted its derivation, but I'd guess that's where the problem lies.
Original post by RDKGames
That's what I effectively said, but more importantly I told you to not get into the habit of cancelling out matrices between both sides. You cannot divide by a matrix and multiplication is not commutative.

ABC=DBEABC = DBE does not mean AC=DEAC = DE.

You should take these properties more seriously by instead of putting a slash through II, instead note that II is such a matrix so that AI=IA=AAI=IA=A. Also, since we don't have commutativity, you need to pre-multiply or post-multiply by M1M^{-1}. Hence the correct practice to get into for matrices is as follows;

MMT=kIMM^T = kI

M1MMT=kM1IM^{-1}MM^T = kM^{-1}I

IMT=kM1IM^T = kM^{-1}

MT=kM1M^T = kM^{-1}


where at no point have I 'cancelled' out common matrices between both sides, and I have strictly pre-multiplied both sides by M1M^{-1}.


Can you see what I need to do for 9d?
Original post by ghostwalker
I would suggest checking the formula you have for S - you've not posted its derivation, but I'd guess that's where the problem lies.


So I got C+iS in realised form as (16 -4 cos 2x + 4i sin 2x)/(17 -8 cos 2x + 8i sin 2x) and therefore S as (16+4sin 2x)/(17+8sin2x) before equating to 0. Is that right?
Original post by wbanner2001
Can you see what I need to do for 9d?



Don't have time to look into this too much at the moment, but for 8d have you tried solving the following system?

q+4rs=0q+4r-s=0

3q+ps=03q + ps = 0

q2+r2+s2=18q^2 + r^2 + s^2 = 18
Original post by RDKGames
Don't have time to look into this too much at the moment, but for 8d have you tried solving the following system?

q+4rs=0q+4r-s=0

3q+ps=03q + ps = 0

q2+r2+s2=18q^2 + r^2 + s^2 = 18


I had set up those three but the squares put me off... I will try again! Thanks
Original post by wbanner2001
I had set up those three but the squares put me off... I will try again! Thanks


Just sub things into that last equation so that you don't get into the motion of rooting things and making everything more complicated than it needs to be.
Original post by wbanner2001
1) How do you do 8c quickly if it is 1 mark and consequently 8d?

2) Why is my answer to 9c nothing like the show that?



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Do you know which test paper this is from???????
Original post by wbanner2001
1) How do you do 8c quickly if it is 1 mark and consequently 8d?

2) Why is my answer to 9c nothing like the show that?



04D4008B-CA3D-4F07-A09A-9C1EB3593F33.jpg.jpeg
096778BB-2FC6-443E-8D8B-5E2984F646C3.jpg.jpeg
33923F1C-AB3F-482A-A16C-4425DE7995AE.jpg.jpeg


Could you please post the further statistics and further mechanics papers that you did with these?
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