China forces birth control on Uighurs and other minorities

Why though? History does have a tendency to repeat itself...

How about being shot or beaten to death for smallest offences, like saying something your oppressors don' like or having food you were not supposed to have, being frozen alive or having gasoline injected to their veins?
That's what was happening during the Holocaust. You just can't say that A is equal to B, even if both are on the negative side of the line, but values differ.

Because the discussion doesn't seem to be very productive so far, we're in the news forum not the history forum and perhaps we are able to discuss the events of 2020 without needing to bring in 1941.

I don't see how copy and pasting from another user answers my question ?

It's a response to both yours and Malewski's posts where you both disagreed about whether holocaust-genocide is an appropriate description of what is happeneing to the Uighurs.

I suggested the situation is perhaps more appropriate to describe it as eugenics which was the Nazi precursor and justification for genocide in the 'final solution'.

No less abhorrent. What we do not have evidence for is the systematic murder of the Uighur population through execution.

I agree.
I am only afraid that either they'll keep doing what they are doing, either we will see the historically accurate remake of the Final Solution. Especially if there will be more terrorist attacks in China.

My thoughts entirely having alluded to it in a post earlier (#29 on in this thread), where I mentioned the time-bomb clock is ticking.

Yesterday we heard calls from the Uighur's (who had managed to flee China) for the 'especially Muslim world' to rally and help remove their plight. No doubt this will be seen as placing more political and economic pressure from the Muslim world and some will see it as a call to jihad. Would not be surprised if we see a fatwah on Jingping's head.

My thoughts entirely having alluded to it in a post earlier (#29 on in this thread), where I mentioned the time-bomb clock is ticking.

Yesterday we heard calls from the Uighur's (who had managed to flee China) for the 'especially Muslim world' to rally and help remove their plight. No doubt this will be seen as placing more political and economic pressure from the Muslim world and some will see it as a call to jihad. Would not be surprised if we see a fatwah on Jingping's head.

Tensions will be ratcheted up further next year between the U.K. and China, when the Queen Elizabeth Carrier Strike Group forms with squadrons of F35's from both the R.N. and U.S. Marine Corps embarking and sailing together with type 45 destroyers, type 23 frigates and no doubt an Astute class nuclear submarine with support vessels - all heading into the heavily contested South China seas region.

Again, I would not be surprised if the U.S. commits one or two U.S. CSG's to the region either simultaneously or in succession.

Expect the news feeds and social media to go into overdrive, especially as it will be immediately preceded by the new visa for qualified Hong Kong emigrants in January and counter sanctions from China.

Oh, I almost forgot. Then there is the winter of Covid19/21 coming to a town near you!

The Xi Jinping regime appears to be willing to go into military confrontations with its neighbours when it wants to - I'm all for ceasing trading relations with China until the regime permits proper democracy at least to some extent and stops imprisoning, murdering, torturing and running slave camps on huge scales. I'm not so much for military confrontation, unless they get really over the top. So far, despite the rhetoric, the CCP have avoided direct action against Taiwan. HK is more problematic given that it is part of China by treaty, albeit they have now broken some of the terms of that treaty. There is considerable danger in playing military escalation games in the South China Sea. Their leader appears to be a bit nuts and unchallenged within the country. He has gambled his popularity, like Putin, on rash international actions.

Because the discussion doesn't seem to be very productive so far, we're in the news forum not the history forum and perhaps we are able to discuss the events of 2020 without needing to bring in 1941.

It's a response to both your and Malewski's posts where you both disagreed about whether holocaust-genocide is an appropriate description for what is happening to the Uighurs.

I suggested the situation is perhaps alternately described as eugenics, which was the Nazi precursor and justification for genocide in the 'final solution'. No less abhorrent.

What we do not have is evidence for the systematic murder of the Uighur population through execution.

It wouldn't surprise me (or anyone for that matter) if they were being executed. There have been reports of torture (see reddit for more on that) of these muslims, clearly the media haven't shown the full force of what's going on here.

They've been executing Uighur intellectuals on trumped up charges in their kangaroo courts for some years now. Some 435 have disappeared since 2017.
https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/7/24/fears-for-uighur-culture-as-scholars-vanish-in-crackdown

Leading Uighur scientists have been sentenced to death in absentia.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-10-18/uighurs-china-muslims-tashpolat-tiyip-execution

There are allegations that the Chinese body part harvesting programme, which has long targeted their millions of detainees, often people not even charged and many members of various minorities, has been extended to Uighurs so that the organs can be sold to wealthy Arabs.
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/24/chinas-harvesting-of-uyghur-organs-gets-darker/

This has been verified by a surgeon who formerly worked in China.
https://www.albawaba.com/node/does-china-sell-%E2%80%98halal-organs%E2%80%99-harvested-muslim-uyghurs-saudi-arabia-1292235

The Chinese state are routinely selling Uighur slave workers to corporations and other institutions in the country as slave labour.
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=3b3d90cf5189c52158d4041aaf21eeb59b511b25-1595593396-0-AU-49xH_3-YuXuEHhG7mCTXNjMM2mEKortaDG7sh2oMjegsf4wR2JOwp6a8h0KX0GdFPVz8dGQ7deuwTtwDaMNgXq9lvj6_Du1pGzv8zQyr1lZNCdnOzxBEkgb4rPFQaBz552sBrncK73bpvOXPe6-itpA1S8dHtsQ_BsWXAmBLy5z6DI8dZM_oypqYwqzOn5QluzSZSeovezUQGOZjfIL64yDE7xyxiZ49K2CNKMmlleYHFs9nJ6pSLrHBCH5WP9sjuHAjGKpB3-66tXIcLkKujx_FMheptV1M_PCYpl4Gf

thank you for providing sources.

@uberteknik and @PTMalewski and @04MR17 why don't you take a look at these links and then try telling me this isn't comparable with the holocaust?
the treatment of these people is abhorrent and beyond evil

I didn't say it wasn't comparable with the holocaust, I suggested it wasn't a fruitful source of debate. Those are two different things.

So if you agree it's a valid comparison, that would make it valuable for the current debate, no?

It wouldn't surprise me (or anyone for that matter) if they were being executed. There have been reports of torture (see reddit for more on that) of these muslims, clearly the media haven't shown the full force of what's going on here.

My fear is that the PRC will not listen.

The Xi Jinping regime appears to be willing to go into military confrontations with its neighbours when it wants to - I'm all for ceasing trading relations with China until the regime permits proper

He has gambled his popularity, like Putin, on rash international actions.

thank you for providing sources.

@uberteknik and @PTMalewski and @04MR17 why don't you take a look at these links and then try telling me this isn't comparable with the holocaust?
the treatment of these people is abhorrent and beyond evil

We need a global boycott now on all Chinese trade and companies, including HSBC. There must be no rights of travel or western property ownership for CCP members, especially the top members. They are billionaires with extensive western portfolios. These must be cancelled.

The Xi Jinping regime appears to be willing to go into military confrontations with its neighbours when it wants to - I'm all for ceasing trading relations with China until the regime permits proper democracy at least to some extent and stops imprisoning, murdering, torturing and running slave camps on huge scales. I'm not so much for military confrontation, unless they get really over the top. So far, despite the rhetoric, the CCP have avoided direct action against Taiwan. HK is more problematic given that it is part of China by treaty, albeit they have now broken some of the terms of that treaty. There is considerable danger in playing military escalation games in the South China Sea. Their leader appears to be a bit nuts and unchallenged within the country. He has gambled his popularity, like Putin, on rash international actions.