Living on benefits

They also need to socialize and be able to exercise.

Quite. No doubt caused by the huge cost of children in the UK and women choosing to give birth when older or deciding to pursue their career. The tabloid t scrounger is in a minority of 1 or two extreme families and even in the Daily Mail you won't get the full story.

Yes true. I think a tory response would probably be the unemployed are obviously just feckless and lazy animals who serve only to ****, eat and sleep.

Or is it more that they don't know anything else and equally don't have the skills or know how to get a job. How can you fill in an application form when you can't read. And this isn't rare. The average reading she for the UK is 11 with up to about 5.1 million adults being functionally illiterate.

But then I’d say that these ‘families,’ which is what they are don’t help themselves. More intervention is needed by the state at a very young age. There are some of these ‘families’ that shouldn’t have had children in the first place. Our care system needs a massive overhaul, to promote a caring vibe, rather than just a halfway house that it is at the moment.

Just out of interest, are you putting travellers in the same boat? Because they willingly pull their children out of school at Year 8 so they can go and work. Therefore some, in turn are considered illiterate.

Tedious rubbish. Long-term worklessness under any welfare system is not just about financial impoverishment, it correlates with virtually every negative outcome you care to mention: mental health, physical health, sense of self-worth, confidence, ability to re-enter employment, reduced skills. The unemployed are not some sort of special interest group, they're people who are in a bad situation and any sensible government would try to get them out of it as fast as humanly possible.

Who are "these" families? I don't know any. Do you? Honestly, if we are to debate poverty in this country could you please use data and facts rather than tabloid stereotypes designed to make you feel superior to others?

So what are you talking about?
Those families in relative poverty in th UK?
Those families in poverty compared to others around the world?
Adults who are functionally iliterate?
Adults who struggle to find work?

You can't say people don't help themselves because quite simply you haven't got a clue what goes on in the private lives of the poorest in our society so how you can judge is beyond me.

It may be a northern thing, or maybe it’s the area I grew up in, but there are families that pride themselves off being on benefits, and haven’t worked a day in their lives, and don’t plan to. This then gets passed onto their children.

These will be the same people I see on public transport who can afford cans of Stella at 9 in the morning, but strangely not a mask.

These are the people you’re excusing. As having a hard time. Poor lambs. Yet they consistently do nothing to help themselves.

I’m not judging, I see it everyday. Deprived areas where the tradition is to not work, drink all day and live off the state. You giving them a pardon, or denying they exist does not help them. You, and others like you who don’t see that this issue exists in our country make it worse. I should add, I do know that this is a minority, but I personally feel it’s a minority that is growing.

These will be the same people I see on public transport who can afford cans of Stella at 9 in the morning, but strangely not a mask.

Is that something to aspire to? How sh1t does your life need to get so that drinking Stella at 9am becomes a thing? Surely you can see that someone drinking in the morning is not quite right?

That does not help the million of long term worklessness who don't claim benefit and supported by the family. I meant a lot people who supported by their family after school/university with low self worth even getting a paper round would help them.

Middle class highly educated people are more likely to drink everyday than the poorest 10 % their also more likely to use drugs and have sex outside of a relationship. You only see poor people drinking taking drugs because can't hid it as well not because they drink/take drugs more.
Also there are middle class people who through drinking loss their jobs homes and can be found drinking in the street it not just people for poor backgrounds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19870190
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45036469

Is that something to aspire to? How sh1t does your life need to get so that drinking Stella at 9am becomes a thing? Surely you can see that someone drinking in the morning is not quite right?

"Middle class highly educated people are more likely to drink everyday than the poorest 10 % their also more likely to use drugs and have sex outside of a relationship."

And? If they aren't hurting anyone what is the issue. If they work, and actually contribute something to society then what they do with their money, that they have earned is entirely their choice. Unless I've misunderstood here, and you're talking about highly educated people that do not work?

"Also there are middle class people who through drinking loss their jobs homes and can be found drinking in the street it not just people for poor backgrounds."

And that is where help needs to become more readily available.


I completely agree. What a ****ing life. Honestly, don't get me wrong, I'm sad for these people, but enough is enough to be fair. I don't mind what on earth they do with their spare time, but living off the state is not an option. Like I said above, I see it everyday; families that have done nothing but live off the dole. Where is the pride? Where is the confidence? For years now we've tried to softly softly approach.

Social services are next to useless because they're so afraid of telling it how it is. We now need a tougher approach to lifer benefiteers. Get them in work, or at least, give them some sort of rules to abide by. They shouldn't be spending my money, our taxpayers money on alcohol and drugs. Like I said, maybe it's because I'm from the North, and we are by definition, deprived more than the south. But there are countless areas up here where the norm is to not achieve at school, engage in low level crimes and anti-social behaviours, and most importantly, not work.

I completely agree. What a ****ing life. Honestly, don't get me wrong, I'm sad for these people, but enough is enough to be fair. I don't mind what on earth they do with their spare time, but living off the state is not an option. Like I said above, I see it everyday; families that have done nothing but live off the dole. Where is the pride? Where is the confidence? For years now we've tried to softly softly approach.

Social services are next to useless because they're so afraid of telling it how it is.

There are certainly large numbers of people who are unemployed who don't claim benefits, but I imagine many will be those who have retired early, who are stay-at-home parents, women who are pregnant etc, idle boulevardiers, bored housewives etc.