Johnson to renege on Withdrawal Agreement

You're mistaken. I'm suggesting we get out and ignore European harmony. We wait for the inevitable crumble of the EU. Everything else you said suffers from saying lots of words without substance. No one is a global laughing stocks. That's all nonsense. As too is talk of economic euthanasia.

International law isn't proper law. We're free to break is if it benefits us. As other have done and will continue to do. There aren't any serious punishments to come from it.

I am in agreement with Maddie.

The withdrawal agreement as it stood last year was a blatant land grab by Ireland and as such beyond the politics of getting the process moved on i don't especially care that the government intends to tear it up (though it's more an admission that we are headed for No Deal so why stomach a bit we really hate).

To the wider negotiations i also agree that the government should not relent on the level playing field. There is more benefit in the long run from doing things which breach state aid, procurement and tax rules in the EU than even going around signing trade agreements in my opinion. That is before the intangible sovereignty benefit.

The deal was only a stop-gap until a better deal could be negotiated. As a deal can't be negotiated it's right to opt for the next best thing (no deal). Reneging on a treaty isn't a big deal.

My hope is he remains strong and does follow through on all the threats. The worst move would be caving to anything the EU want. I don't like to call the discussions 'negotiations. Calling them negotiations implies both sides compromise on things. I don't want to see that. I would rather Britain refuses to make compromises!

Sigh and this is why Britain is a 3rd rate power these days.

Will of the people and all that.

Boris Johnson has reportedly decided that the "oven ready" deal that he personally negotiated now doesn't make sense.

In doing so the UK will be breaking an international treaty before trade deals with other nations who are expected to trust us.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/07/brexit-deal-never-made-sense-boris-johnson-tell-eu/


Due to this the Head of the UK Government Legal Department has now resigned.

https://www.ft.com/content/6186bf1c-055b-4de6-a643-4eea763e1b94

This is what solicitors do when they can no longer defend their client.

Why bother with agreements if one party can just change their end of the bargain to suit themselves whenever they want?

Would you make deals with someone that can't be trust to keep a promise?

I am beyond annoyed at this now. This is an utter **** up. It was anyway, but this man is an absolute disgrace. This was the ‘oven ready deal’ that he presented to the British people in a GE. If there’s something wrong with that deal that HE made, then we should have another GE, as it’s finally been revealed he’s talking through his arse again. Add to that, the sheer brazenness of being willing to not only tear up a withdrawal agreement but also in turn ignore what is an international peace treaty in the GFA; I’m speechless.

‘Brexit deal never made sense’ says man who negotiated it, signed it, prevented MPs from scrutinising it, campaigned for it and won a general election on the back of it.

He wants arrested. I hope the sheep that voted for this process and this man are happy. We’re even more of a laughing stock than we were.



/rant

The EU are acting reasonably all along in my opinion. I am so ashamed of this country and the criminal liar in number 10 that I do my utmost to avoid being seen as English when I am abroad.

The EU also remember his behaviour when the Brussels correspondent of the Daily Telegraph.

The deal was only a stop-gap until a better deal could be negotiated. As a deal can't be negotiated it's right to opt for the next best thing (no deal). Reneging on a treaty isn't a big deal.

My hope is he remains strong and does follow through on all the threats. The worst move would be caving to anything the EU want. I don't like to call the discussions 'negotiations. Calling them negotiations implies both sides compromise on things. I don't want to see that. I would rather Britain refuses to make compromises!

Please don't say such things around here as the Right Wing Brexiteers will be very unhappy! Such as

Mr Liber
Mr Paul
Mr L i b
Mr Burton
And a couple of others...

Besides and as I said to my other Thread: Those who vote for the Tories are either naive or stupid or both...
Although Brexit did steal votes from Labour idiots, the entire project is another success of the most ludicrous party in the UK consisting of the greatest Charlatans and Clowns of politics.

But wait a moment! What evidence do you have to condemn Brexit? What's that? Common sense?? Did you say common sense?! Did you say evidence based research by the London School of Economics?

These are not enough!!!

There is nothing more reliable and credible than

The SUN
The Daily Mail
The Daily Telegraph
The Daily Express
The Daily Star

B...b...but the EU will just give us an amazing deal coz they'd be too stupid not too right?

Absolute tosh. International law very much is proper law.

Very disappointed to see you take such an unprincipled stance. This deal is one we voluntarily signed up for. It's one that Parliament voted through and the Tories campaigned on during an election. If we care about the rule of law and our democratic process, we must obide by our legal obligations. If not, we're no better than a banana Republic.

Not to mention that no country, anywhere, will ever sign a trade deal or treaty with us again if we don't honour our obligations.

We were trapped and needed to move on to the next stage. While I regret us not being able to act in good faith there’s really no incentive to maintain such an agreement without a trade agreement (this is effectively an admission we are allowing negotiations to end).

Our democratic process is being satisfied, our sovereign parliament will approve these changes.

You say this while ignoring the number of states in breach of a host of agreements. What makes this one so much more meaningful than any other countries. A single instance in a single part does not constitute a pattern.

This is a legally binding international treaty which we voluntarily signed up to.

If we don't abide by our legal obligations or uphold international treaties we are party to then no country will ever sign a treaty or trade agreement with us again. And why would they? Why would they sign an agreement with a country they can't trust to honour their obligations? Would you sign a deal with someone you couldn't trust to keep their end of it?

I love this country, and fundamental to that is the rule of law. I want this country to set an example to others. Shame you don't.

I agree but your conflating a single instance as being a pattern. Hell, the ECJ took France to court more often than the U.K. while we were members but I don’t see you suggesting France is a pariah state.

This is a very specific circumstance forced upon us by previous parliamentary constraints and EU intransigence.

This is a very specific circumstance forced upon us by previous parliamentary constraints and EU intransigence.

We were trapped and needed to move on to the next stage. While I regret us not being able to act in good faith there’s really no incentive to maintain such an agreement without a trade agreement (this is effectively an admission we are allowing negotiations to end).

Our democratic process is being satisfied, our sovereign parliament will approve these changes.

You say this while ignoring the number of states in breach of a host of agreements. What makes this one so much more meaningful than any other countries. A single instance in a single part does not constitute a pattern.

It wasn't forced on us at all. Johnson made this deal and was very happy with it, in fact he forced every Tory MP to pledge to vote for it.

How does a deal go from being "fantastic" to "not making sense" without the deal changing?

We were trapped and needed to move on to the next stage. While I regret us not being able to act in good faith there’s really no incentive to maintain such an agreement without a trade agreement (this is effectively an admission we are allowing negotiations to end).

Our democratic process is being satisfied, our sovereign parliament will approve these changes.

You say this while ignoring the number of states in breach of a host of agreements. What makes this one so much more meaningful than any other countries. A single instance in a single part does not constitute a pattern.

There are three things that make this exceptional

It isn't covered by dipomatic falsehood. Of course, this isn't the same order of magnitude, but can you think of any instance of a deliberate breach of international law since the 1930s? Iraq took back control of its 19th Province. The independent peoples of Crimea sought union with Russia. The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia punished his disobedient servants.

This is a recent commitment expressly adopted to deal with issue about which the breach is proposed. It is not a generic treaty, one of whose terms comes into conflict with something not extressly provided for in the treaty such as prisoner voting and the ECHR.

The committment was entered into by the same people who are going to breach it. This is not a Government caught by the unwise promises of its predecessors.

Boris has essentially gambled that he will get away with this. He may be right, or this will all unwind and his Government will fall.

No, it was forced upon us by ourselves.

Johnson paraded this 'deal' as a huge success, as if he'd forced huge concessions from the EU. He campaigned on it, every Tory MP voted it through Parliament. In reality, this was a terrible deal which amounted to the UK capitulating to the EU.

But that's our own fault. If you voluntarily sign up to an an awful deal, you don't just get to ignore it because you now don't like it. We are legally bound by it.

This idea that it's fine for us to break the law is ludicrous. It's unpatriotic and unconservative. It goes against what this country stands for. And really, I expected better from you.

It's not a specific or limited contravention. It drives a horse and cart through the agreement we signed up to.

Please don't say such things around here as the Right Wing Brexiteers will be very unhappy! Such as

Mr Liber
Mr Paul
Mr L i b
Mr Burton
And a couple of others...

You're mistaken. I'm suggesting we get out and ignore European harmony. We wait for the inevitable crumble of the EU. Everything else you said suffers from saying lots of words without substance. No one is a global laughing stocks. That's all nonsense. As too is talk of economic euthanasia.

International law isn't proper law. We're free to break is if it benefits us. As other have done and will continue to do. There aren't any serious punishments to come from it.

Will of the people and all that.

B...b...but the EU will just give us an amazing deal coz they'd be too stupid not too right?

Please don't say such things around here as the Right Wing Brexiteers will be very unhappy! Such as

Mr Liber
Mr Paul
Mr L i b
Mr Burton
And a couple of others...

Besides and as I said to my other Thread: Those who vote for the Tories are either naive or stupid or both...
Although Brexit did steal votes from Labour idiots, the entire project is another success of the most ludicrous party in the UK consisting of the greatest Charlatans and Clowns of politics.

But wait a moment! What evidence do you have to condemn Brexit? What's that? Common sense?? Did you say common sense?! Did you say evidence based research by the London School of Economics?

These are not enough!!!

There is nothing more reliable and credible than

The SUN
The Daily Mail
The Daily Telegraph
The Daily Express
The Daily Star

Please explain
1) how @Lib is a brexiteer?
2) how I am right wing?

Feel free to chant on with your parrot like drivel about the world being thick and stupid, Charlatans and Clowns and some BS about the Sun newspaper. In fact would you like me to reply for you...

I'm intrigued what you think of this. In terms of, I'm not getting into another Brexit argument with you because we've been there and done that and both received plenty of T-Shirts, however, do you honestly think it's justifiable to break international law to 'Get Brexit done?'