Johnson to renege on Withdrawal Agreement

No I dont think it's a good idea to break an agreement or international law.

I'm going to be completely honest, I've been busy in my personal/professional life of recent therefore I'm a little out of touch with happenings. I'm not 100% sure what the current train wreck of a government has done, or what part if the agreement they have broke. However I don't think it's a good idea to break international agreements at a time when we are trying to sign new ones (or at least should be).

In short I'm not defending the government, however I'm a little uninformed on the subject matter at present, I'm finding it amusing how some hard core remainers are desperate to crow about stuff like this though

The deal was only a stop-gap until a better deal could be negotiated. As a deal can't be negotiated it's right to opt for the next best thing (no deal). Reneging on a treaty isn't a big deal.

My hope is he remains strong and does follow through on all the threats. The worst move would be caving to anything the EU want. I don't like to call the discussions 'negotiations. Calling them negotiations implies both sides compromise on things. I don't want to see that. I would rather Britain refuses to make compromises!

Boris Johnson has reportedly decided that the "oven ready" deal that he personally negotiated now doesn't make sense.

In doing so the UK will be breaking an international treaty before trade deals with other nations who are expected to trust us.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/07/brexit-deal-never-made-sense-boris-johnson-tell-eu/


Due to this the Head of the UK Government Legal Department has now resigned.

https://www.ft.com/content/6186bf1c-055b-4de6-a643-4eea763e1b94

This is what solicitors do when they can no longer defend their client.

This sums up the bill pretty well.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/09/brexit-bill-northern-ireland-criticised-as-obvious-breach-of-international-law

I'd quite like a sauce that is more neutral rather than something from.the remainstream moan alot guardian, but I'll take a read and let you know my thoughts.

I'd quite like a sauce that is more neutral rather than something from.the remainstream moan alot guardian, but I'll take a read and let you know my thoughts.

They are basically changing the mutual stuff on NI to unilateral.

It's basically an admission that they expect the trade negotiations to collapse.

Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House has put out a statement on the matter and the ongoing FTA negotiations with the US.

"If the U.K. violates that international treaty and Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be absolutely no chance of a U.S.-U.K. trade agreement passing the Congress."

I've just read into it and it's all abit hazy at the moment we dont actually know the full details of what the government are planning on doing, somethings Johnson's government is hell bent on achieving are things we dont do anyway.

I really think this could be a over exaggerated storm in a teacup, I guess we need to wait and see what will be actually in the finished bill after its passed through both houses before we jump to mass hysteria. I do find it funny how arch looney nobody remainers john major, Philip hammond and co have sprung up.out of nowhere to help the storm along it's way.

At the end of the day if trade deals do collapse, then no deal is here and the withdrawal agreement means diddly squat.... so..

If if if.....if I was a woman I'd be a mother not a father

Let's just wait and see what actually happens, let's not get over excited.

Please don't say such things around here as the Right Wing Brexiteers will be very unhappy! Such as

Mr Liber
Mr Paul
Mr L i b
Mr Burton
And a couple of others...

Biggest load of tosh I’ve read on here, and that includes my posts.

No deal is absolute suicide. Are you dense?

Proud campaigner for Britain Stronger in Europe here - the sort that actually did active campaigning for a Remain vote rather than just mouth off on the interwebs - and before that, for many years, a member of the European Movement UK.

But, of course, clearly a "right-wing Brexiteer".

Exactly the same. What you said earlier is spot on. I want to watch England burn. The working classes voted for this, I want them to see exactly what they’ve done. Racist uneducated sheep.

I genuinely believe no deal is the best outcome for all wealthy EU countries. When all countries are trading on a no deal basis they can start implementing agreements that work for them rather than relying on the EU that is constant compromise and dominated by the poor countries.

You're mistaken. I'm suggesting we get out and ignore European harmony. We wait for the inevitable crumble of the EU. Everything else you said suffers from saying lots of words without substance. No one is a global laughing stocks. That's all nonsense. As too is talk of economic euthanasia.

International law isn't proper law. We're free to break is if it benefits us. As other have done and will continue to do. There aren't any serious punishments to come from it.

Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House has put out a statement on the matter and the ongoing FTA negotiations with the US.

"If the U.K. violates that international treaty and Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be absolutely no chance of a U.S.-U.K. trade agreement passing the Congress."

The issue with that is that it is complete fallacy that all countries can trade on their own agreements. If all countries were following our lead and taking themselves out the biggest trading bloc in the world, in order to tailor make trade deals, that would in theory be less damaging, which I believe is what you are saying.

However, that is quite clearly not the case. We are erecting massive barriers to trade, and we are the only one's doing it. The job bloodbath has already begun under Covid and will only get worse when Boris ****s this up even more.

Thirdly, you better get used to being dominated by poor countries because that is the league we are relegating ourselves too. We are making ourselves a complete laughing stock. The world is in disbelief that we are committing economic euthanasia. We are a joke, and the EU owes us absolutely nothing. All for what? Sovereignty? Absolute ********.

Lastly, what is more troubling is that you seem to be absolutely fine with Boris and co breaking international law. What sort of example is that for a government to its citizens? Not to mention, the punishments we will face as a result.

We are a joke, because our people blindly followed a utopian promise, when in fact, nothing was even wrong in the first place. Just those damn immigrants coming over here and stealing jobs, which never happened to begin with.

At the end of the day nobody is a Brexiteer.. My list will be reduced to Liber and Mr Burton...

Apologies for adding you up to the list I will now remove you.

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