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RAF Pilot/Weapon Systems Officer (WSO) Questions

Hi,
I'm interested in joining the RAF as a pilot but am not yet sure I will be able to due to my eyesight which is effectively on the boundaries of the restrictions (6/12 or 20/40 vision is what I have read).
- If one eye is within the limit and one is marginally out will this completely
end any chances of being a pilot?

Due to this, I was looking at WSO as a plan B.
- What sort of day to day jobs would a WSO do?
- I hear most go to ISTAR, but is there any chance whatsoever that I could
be streamed to the transport or helicopter fleets?
- Does anyone know what the required CBAT score is for WSO?
- How much travel will a WSO do?

Cheers

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Reply 1
Original post by AlphaTango
I would recommend you apply for Pilot and find out if you meet the medical standards or not, the eyesight requirements are constantly reviewed and are more flexible than they used to be.

WSO will not be on transport/rotary.
WSO day to day depends on the platform you operate on. If you look at the roles of the ISTAR platforms you’ll have an idea of the roles.
CBAT scores are amended frequently as are the stanines and the tests themselves. I could tell you it’s 50 or it’s 150 and it wouldn’t make any difference to you or your score.
Travel will also depend on platform.


I will definitely give pilot a go and see what happens, do they become more flexible with eyesight depending on how desperate the RAF are for pilots? Or if there is a very good candidate who is marginally off the visual standards then they'll let them in?
Do you know which of the ISTAR platforms get the most travel? Thanks again, and sorry for all the questions!
Original post by bwobs
I will definitely give pilot a go and see what happens, do they become more flexible with eyesight depending on how desperate the RAF are for pilots? Or if there is a very good candidate who is marginally off the visual standards then they'll let them in?
Do you know which of the ISTAR platforms get the most travel? Thanks again, and sorry for all the questions!

I would definitely say go for your first choice. If a medical issue rules you out of that you will be offered alternative roles that you have qualified for based on your CBAT.

I would however say that the medical regulations are strict (appeals are able to be submitted), but ultimately, pilot is a very competitive role as it is. It's totally up to the discression of the medical board, and their decisions are for the good of the service, and yourself.

Almost certainly as a WSO you'd be based at RAF Waddington on one of their platforms. Check out the recruitment website for more details, and take these questions into your AFCO when you go in... they'll appreciate that you've put the effort in to thinking up questions, but make them relevant and put some effort into finding the answers for yourself.

All the best
Reply 3
Original post by BeardedLoadie
Almost certainly as a WSO you'd be based at RAF Waddington on one of their platforms.

There'll be a fair few based at Lossie!
Original post by bwobs
Hi,
I'm interested in joining the RAF as a pilot but am not yet sure I will be able to due to my eyesight which is effectively on the boundaries of the restrictions (6/12 or 20/40 vision is what I have read).
- If one eye is within the limit and one is marginally out will this completely
end any chances of being a pilot?

Due to this, I was looking at WSO as a plan B.
- What sort of day to day jobs would a WSO do?
- I hear most go to ISTAR, but is there any chance whatsoever that I could
be streamed to the transport or helicopter fleets?
- Does anyone know what the required CBAT score is for WSO?
- How much travel will a WSO do?

Cheers

Hi

As has already been advised (you have a wealth of experience and advice in this forum!) the best thing to do is to submit an application and go through the process and see what happens.

The WSO role is primarily on ISTAR platforms, although there may be a few roles elsewhere, but if you're looking at rotary then it's highly unlikely.

We don't give out CBAT details, just do the day at Cranwell, you'll be advised on the day what you've scored for.

As a WSO you'll be Aircrew, so you're likely to be in the air a substantial amount of time and it's likely that you'll get to travel for exercises and potential operational deployment etc.

Kind regards
Adam
RAF Recruitment
Original post by Drewski
There'll be a fair few based at Lossie!


My bad! How could i forget! Exciting times for those guys
Original post by RAF_Adam
Hi

As has already been advised (you have a wealth of experience and advice in this forum!) the best thing to do is to submit an application and go through the process and see what happens.

The WSO role is primarily on ISTAR platforms, although there may be a few roles elsewhere, but if you're looking at rotary then it's highly unlikely.

We don't give out CBAT details, just do the day at Cranwell, you'll be advised on the day what you've scored for.

As a WSO you'll be Aircrew, so you're likely to be in the air a substantial amount of time and it's likely that you'll get to travel for exercises and potential operational deployment etc.

Kind regards
Adam
RAF Recruitment

A few roles elsewhere?

Where else would that be?
Reply 7
Original post by EconWarrior
A few roles elsewhere?

Where else would that be?

I'm guessing that with the expansion and development of UAVs, and with the procurement of Protector, there may be the opportunity for a few WSOs to join that fleet.
Original post by EconWarrior
A few roles elsewhere?

Where else would that be?

Hi

Have a good read through the RAF website at the fleet of ISTAR aircraft and where they can be based. As I stated, it's going to be mostly on those platforms, it states that on the role page too. The other areas are likely to be speacialised later in your career. But I don't see there being any on the Rotary fleet and certainly not Fast Jet. As Drew has stated, there could be opportunities in the RPAS area later in your career.

If you're looking for something more 'hands on' which could encompass different types of aircraft then look at WSOp rather than WSO. I'm fairly sure @BeardedLoadie will be able to tell you info about the varied aspect of the role.

Kind regards
Adam
RAF Recruitment
Original post by RAF_Adam
Hi

Have a good read through the RAF website at the fleet of ISTAR aircraft and where they can be based. As I stated, it's going to be mostly on those platforms, it states that on the role page too. The other areas are likely to be speacialised later in your career. But I don't see there being any on the Rotary fleet and certainly not Fast Jet. As Drew has stated, there could be opportunities in the RPAS area later in your career.

If you're looking for something more 'hands on' which could encompass different types of aircraft then look at WSOp rather than WSO. I'm fairly sure @BeardedLoadie will be able to tell you info about the varied aspect of the role.

Kind regards
Adam
RAF Recruitment

Happy to answer any questions!
Reply 10
Original post by bwobs
Hi,
I'm interested in joining the RAF as a pilot but am not yet sure I will be able to due to my eyesight which is effectively on the boundaries of the restrictions (6/12 or 20/40 vision is what I have read).
- If one eye is within the limit and one is marginally out will this completely
end any chances of being a pilot?

Due to this, I was looking at WSO as a plan B.
- What sort of day to day jobs would a WSO do?
- I hear most go to ISTAR, but is there any chance whatsoever that I could
be streamed to the transport or helicopter fleets?
- Does anyone know what the required CBAT score is for WSO?
- How much travel will a WSO do?

Cheers


Hi!
I'm literally in the exact same boat (or plane). I wear glasses and I'm going for pilot in the RAF. Recently done my CBAT and passed for Pilot comfortably. However, because of my eyesight, I'm expecting to be tuned down for pilot and offered another branch (if I make it to medical examination!). I've considered LASEK surgery, but you have have 12 months between the procedure and applying, and also be 22 at time of application - I'm 20.

I think the best way to go about it is just go for pilot until they tell you no. I've got an upcoming phone medical assessment before my interview so I'll be finding out more about the circumstances (with glasses). I'm also considering RPAS and WPO. Best of luck with your application, and I'll drop an update if I get any key info regarding eyesight and pilot.
Original post by Khal_6
Hi!
I'm literally in the exact same boat (or plane). I wear glasses and I'm going for pilot in the RAF. Recently done my CBAT and passed for Pilot comfortably. However, because of my eyesight, I'm expecting to be tuned down for pilot and offered another branch (if I make it to medical examination!). I've considered LASEK surgery, but you have have 12 months between the procedure and applying, and also be 22 at time of application - I'm 20.

I think the best way to go about it is just go for pilot until they tell you no. I've got an upcoming phone medical assessment before my interview so I'll be finding out more about the circumstances (with glasses). I'm also considering RPAS and WPO. Best of luck with your application, and I'll drop an update if I get any key info regarding eyesight and pilot.

A former cadet of mine now on a UAS wanted pilot but his eyesight was slightly off - not enough to need glasses, but enough that he knew - and he failed for pilot. He has, however, passed for RPAS.
Reply 12
I'm no medical expert, but I would think anyone who is able to watch the telly or play computer games would be good to go for RPAS pilot. And lockdown is perfect conditioning for 8-12 hours in a portacabin.

Anyway, back to the original 8 month old thread. All the best people start off wanting pilot and end up as WSOp (or AEOp in old money). Travel? In 2020-2030 timeframe you can look forward to anywhere near the Arctic Circle or Malaysia. If the former, take spare bottles of whisky for bartering. For the latter, take a trip to Singapore. As an officer - afternoon tea at Raffles. Other ranks - Bugis Street (pronounced Boogee).
Reply 13
Hi AT yes, I was aware that RPAS pilots did EFT, but I have no idea if there are medical relaxations compared to a candidate accepted as a full on pilot. I've read all the Prune stuff suggesting that RPAS pilots may get the chance later in their career to crossover to other platforms (prob not FJ), and I'm sure that would probably be necessary to keep people motivated. Doing a full service career on RPAS does not sound like my idea of fun.

Yes, I'm quite sure the RAF will go down the road of reviewing their aircrew medical entry requirements to reflect changing roles and levels of recruitment. As far back as I can remember the pilot medical was predicated on the basis you would make it into the cockpit of a 9g fighter - not many people do, and a lot of good potential aviators have seen their dreams dashed on the rocks as a result of minor imperfections. My colleague always bemoans the fact she was in the wrong place at the wrong time to apply to the RAF as a pilot. Times change.
Reply 14
Original post by AlphaTango
Whats your prescription?

R/L | Sph -2.50/-2.25 | Cyl -2.00/- 1.50. It doesn't meet the requirements on AP1269A. On top of that I believe the combined visual acuity of both eyes is 6/20.
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Reply 15
Original post by Drewski
A former cadet of mine now on a UAS wanted pilot but his eyesight was slightly off - not enough to need glasses, but enough that he knew - and he failed for pilot. He has, however, passed for RPAS.

Yes this is what I'm prepared for and I expect this. Although I do wonder - since many officers are now on hold periods(min 2 yrs), would they allow (during this time) to have corrected vision?
Original post by Khal_6
Yes this is what I'm prepared for and I expect this. Although I do wonder - since many officers are now on hold periods(min 2 yrs), would they allow (during this time) to have corrected vision?

Those holds aren't often all in one go, so it would disrupt your training, my gut feeling is no. Double check though.
Original post by Khal_6
Yes this is what I'm prepared for and I expect this. Although I do wonder - since many officers are now on hold periods(min 2 yrs), would they allow (during this time) to have corrected vision?

Yep, once you're in you can then deteriorate. Many pilots now have corrective lenses.
Original post by Drewski
Those holds aren't often all in one go, so it would disrupt your training, my gut feeling is no. Double check though.


The standard hold at the moment is around 18 months until you first step foot in a Prefect/Tutor from graduation.

You would then expect a couple of year+ holds until you get to the front line. For instance, you would hold for over a year before shawbury or texan. Then hold again until advanced rotary / hawk. Then another prolonged hold until OCU.

The show goes on.
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Reply 18
The show goes on

Original post by EconWarrior

The show goes on.

What show is that Econ? Your usual bedroom farce (RN) or a Carry on film? Hopefully, for the RAF, it’ll continue to be based on Blackadder. Someone, somewhere, is holding onto the cunning plans!

I feel for all you guys. In a 30+ year career I held for a full fortnight, and in my first foray into military aviation I applied for GD(P) in May and walked through the gates of OCTU for officer training 7 months later.

That’s progress for you🤣
Original post by Khal_6
Yes this is what I'm prepared for and I expect this. Although I do wonder - since many officers are now on hold periods(min 2 yrs), would they allow (during this time) to have corrected vision?

The hold length between graduation and ground school has been significantly reduced so you shouldn’t expect to wait 2 years. I Currently have friends who have been given their ground school date a year after graduation. Also I believe the RAF only allow for laser eye surgery from one designated practitioner based in London. So if you were to get this done you’d first need approval and then find out the details of said practitioner.

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