The 'anti-racism' movement is sowing deeper division

The simple reason is that Black people are systematically discriminated against in daily life, denied opportunities afforded to whites and thus some in extreme desperation turn to petty crimes such as theft of food to feed themselves and their families. We need to bring in a law similar to that found in Seattle so people who commit these low level crimes are not punished. As OxFossil showed it is not safe for Black people to interact with the police as they face a high risk of death due to racism. This happens with frightening regularity in US AND UK.

@fallen_acorns Yes, the relative death rates are approximately equal, or even worse for White detainees, depending on how the stats are analysed. But I'd also agree these stats require nuanced analysis, and the conclusion that it's better to be Black in this situation is not tenable. However, this isn't the place for that. My point was made simply to challenge Napp's crass assertion that, ""Britain hardly has a problem with 'killing black people'".

Hes right though.

The UK has racial problems, big big ones, and very diferent ones from America, because our history of immigration and racial tensions is very diferent to theirs. But killing black people? Its not one of them. I mean, in the same year, 2019) that America saw the deaths of countless black people, the British police were responsible for the death of 1 minority... who was the London bridge terror attacker.

Not everything has to be bad or the same as America - is my point. We have issues that they don't, and they have issues that we don't. Its very dangerous and disrespectful to our police force, who are generally really good.. to tarnish them with the brush of killing black people, when they clearly don't, just because their American counterparts do.

@Napp

"Whoops I misread that as talking about the prison population. My mistake....Pray tell what one ‘doesn’t understand’ about the system?"

"why are you focussing on one extremely specific bit of the article...?"
"...lazily labelling everything irredeemably racist..."

Maybe before responding to my posts, you should read your own?

@fallen_acorns Yes, the relative death rates are approximately equal, or even worse for White detainees, depending on how the stats are analysed. But I'd also agree these stats require nuanced analysis, and the conclusion that it's better to be Black in this situation is not tenable. However, this isn't the place for that. My point was made simply to challenge Napp's crass assertion that, ""Britain hardly has a problem with 'killing black people'".

The simple reason is that Black people are systematically discriminated against in daily life, denied opportunities afforded to whites and thus some in extreme desperation turn to petty crimes such as theft of food to feed themselves and their families. We need to bring in a law similar to that found in Seattle so people who commit these low level crimes are not punished. As OxFossil showed it is not safe for Black people to interact with the police as they face a high risk of death due to racism. This happens with frightening regularity in US AND UK.

Given you have yet to actually respond to anything...

And what about the vast majority of them who are jailed for stealing things like TV's, dealing drugs, stabbing people and so on? Few are actually jailed for "stealing food to support themselves" as you well know.
Ah yes Seattle, where they formed a bizarre little anarchic squat to kill each other in. Here's an interesting thing to consider though, when the police in places like michigan (apparently at the urging of the black community) ceased to patrol their areas or really respond to their calls crime went through the roof, shooting skyrocketed and so on. So do you really propose that blacks face more danger from the police as opposed to each other? I mean the numbers speak for themselves on this. Blaming a supposed "racist society" in either the US or UK for the communities problems is a lazy copout for their own problems.
No it really doesnt. Britain is not America and its ridiculous to compare the two.

Clearly your not agreeing with his deluded pseudo rhetoric.

How on earth anyone can consider Seattle a place to copy is beyond me. Yes, tell you what, I’d love to convert part of Manchester into a third world shithole ran by a warlord.

....to ignore absolutely everything said...going off on one about a library yet ignoring the article....

Could the the article you referred to be the one that claimed, "The British Library has an ‘Anti-Racism Action Plan’ which has led its management to pledge that it would review its collections, ‘powerfully reinterpret’ statues of its founders, and put writers such as Ted Hughes on a watchlist because of tenuous connections to ancestors who may have been involved in the slave trade."?

And could "ignoring it" mean pointing out that a hack on the Daily Mail two months earlier claimed, "The Natural History museum has...circulated an academic paper to staff...[and] is conducting a review into potentially 'offensive' collections [including] room names, statues and collections...including the flora collection of Sir Hans Sloane...labelled a ‘slave owner’ by the British Museum in August...?"

If you are unable to see any relationship between these stories, it's no wonder you are struggling.

Likewise, explaining the #BLM movement to @imlikeahermit was clearly too ambitious. Thanks. It's helpful to know the level you're operating at here.

Once again, your missing the point. The #blm is finished. The reason for that is because the organisation Black Lives Matter U.K. decided to firstly post anti-Semitic comments on Twitter, but secondly made their left wing Marxist intentions completely clear which has now completely hijacked the whole movement.

Rebrand it, do whatever you want. I want racial equality, however it will not come under the BLM banner because all that anyone sees now under that is an extreme left wing Marxist organisation which wants to destroy the norms of British life.

Lastly, you’ve still yet to explain why 3% of the population make up 18% of murders.

Once again, your missing the point. The #blm is finished. The reason for that is because the organisation Black Lives Matter U.K. decided to firstly post anti-Semitic comments on Twitter, but secondly made their left wing Marxist intentions completely clear which has now completely hijacked the whole movement.

Rebrand it, do whatever you want. I want racial equality, however it will not come under the BLM banner because all that anyone sees now under that is an extreme left wing Marxist organisation which wants to destroy the norms of British life.

Lastly, you’ve still yet to explain why 3% of the population make up 18% of murders.

Thanks. I honestly appreciate this answer - even if you're completely wrong!
But if you think I'm going to spend any more time explaining stuff here, especially stuff that requires serious analysis, you're going to be disappointed. Why not read some of the many reports and reviews that have been published in recent years? Here's a start:
https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/publications/cjm/article/truth-and-lies-about-race-and-crime

I’m absolutely not completely wrong. BLM and it’s left wing ideology has been completely found out when it comes to its motives. It’s unsupportable by the general electorate.

FYI, that link does not explain why 3% of the population make up 18% of murders.

Youre welcome to state your opinion as often as you like.
Are you seriously expecting me to do a literature search for you? Dream on.

... if you think I'm going to spend any more time explaining stuff here, especially stuff that requires serious analysis, you're going to be disappointed.

Have another read...

Could the the article you referred to be the one that claimed, "The British Library has an ‘Anti-Racism Action Plan’ which has led its management to pledge that it would review its collections, ‘powerfully reinterpret’ statues of its founders, and put writers such as Ted Hughes on a watchlist because of tenuous connections to ancestors who may have been involved in the slave trade."?

And could "ignoring it" mean pointing out that a hack on the Daily Mail two months earlier claimed, "The Natural History museum has...circulated an academic paper to staff...[and] is conducting a review into potentially 'offensive' collections [including] room names, statues and collections...including the flora collection of Sir Hans Sloane...labelled a ‘slave owner’ by the British Museum in August...?"

If you are unable to see any relationship between these stories, it's no wonder you are struggling.

Likewise, explaining the #BLM movement to @imlikeahermit was clearly too ambitious. Thanks. It's helpful to know the level you're operating at here.

#Black Lives Matter is not a single organisation which you can join, hold a membership card for, or a manifesto which you have to sign up to. It's a broad movement of people who understand that Black people are systematically disadvantaged by racism, and who wish to demonstrate solidarity. That's all.

There are a variety of organisations that have adopted variations of the hashtag as their name, but they are not synonymous with the whole movement. It's just like there are many people in this country who would describe themselves as "conservative", in one way or another. But they are not all believers in a no-deal Brexit, the selling off of council houses, the primacy of the financial sector or neoliberal econnomics. There is a political party that has adopted the term "Conservative", but "conservatives" do not necessarily support any of its political programme. Simlilarly, not everyone who describes themself as a "democrat" supports the political programme of the Democratic Party of the USA.

It's not really a difficult concept. The footballers who took the knee did so because they are well aware of the true nature of #BLM as a non-aligned movement with no wider political programme.

It is the politically motivated Right who wish to spread confusion and disinformation on this count. For them, seeing a storyline in The Vicar of Dibley in which a character expresses support for #BLM is a matter for moral outrage. For the rest of us, it's seeing the endless reports of Black people's disadvantage in education, health, housing, employment and income being ignored, year after year after year.