Police: Sixth-leading cause of death for young black men

What’s the proportion of those stopped who are over 60 compared to those under 60? Is that out of proportion?

What’s the proportion of those stopped who are over 60 compared to those under 60? Is that out of proportion?

Either way, I think it's important not to deflect from the point:

That's rich considering you started with black youths in America and now are moved on to s&s stats in London

Either way, I think it's important not to deflect from the point: as I assume you can see the number of stop and searches for black people in very much out of proportion. I would not imagine that this is to the same extent for any other demographic such as age. 950% is a lot. And in the case there are other alarming disproportionalities they should be addressed too don't you think?

The most alarming disproportionality is the amount of crime committed by such a small percentage of the population. But of course, you don’t see that.

You're revealing your own bias. Where the disproportionality is of greater magnitude is what should be addressed first. Especially considering that, as I've said before, the police by default have a greater moral duty than their citizens. The excessive stop and searches are an expression of them abusing their power - in what society is this permissible?

So you're saying that policing by tickbox should be done? Once the police arrest their allotted number of Blacks they should then give the rest a pass or look to arrest a commensurate number of some of ethnic group? Forgive me but thats sounds like the plot of a particularly unpleasant dystopian novel.

Have you read the rest of the thread? The person I was responding claimed that the most alarming disproportionality was not the fact that black people are 9.5 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police but that 18% of convicted murder suspects are black. Once again, if you read the rest of the thread you will find my solutions clearly outlined, none of which include quotas.

Nope, i was responding to that specific point of yours about addressing arbitrary 'disproportionality'. The other users comment has no bearing on what i asked you given what you said.
Although, if im reading that comment right, why are you dismissing the massive over representation of black murderers compared to stop and search? One being an alarming statistic and the other fairly immaterial outside of inconveniance caused.

You're revealing your own bias. Where the disproportionality is of greater magnitude is what should be addressed first. Especially considering that, as I've said before, the police by default have a greater moral duty than their citizens. The excessive stop and searches are an expression of them abusing their power - in what society is this permissible?

Nope, i was responding to that specific point of yours about addressing arbitrary 'disproportionality'. The other users comment has no bearing on what i asked you given what you said.
Although, if im reading that comment right, why are you dismissing the massive over representation of black murderers compared to stop and search? One being an alarming statistic and the other fairly immaterial outside of inconveniance caused.

@Napp has hit the nail on the head. What you want is equal numbers across the board, or tick boxes, not based on disproportionality, race, crime bias or anything. By your logic we should stop and search equal numbers of all age groups despite those under 30 being much more likely to be found with something. Firstly, what a waste of police resources, secondly, your ability to just ignore the disproportionality in regards to murders is absolutely absurd.

Where did I say that? I explicitly said that I am against the use of quotas. You've actually already asked me that question in an earlier post so if your ability to retain information is challenged then you may want to revisit previous posts in this thread to inform future responses. In addition, proportion is different from equality. I reiterate: there is a disproportion in the number of black people being stopped and searched. The just and rational solution would not be to equalise the number of people being stopped and searched across all demographics. Evidently, your assumption of what I want does not follow a logical sequence.

I don't deny that white people get stop and searched too, but black people get stop and searched at a much greater rate. According to official statistics, for every white person that gets stopped and searched, 9.5 black people get stopped and searched.

What social class are they? What age are they? In London black people are mostly younger than white people also many schools black children out number white children at round 10 -1. This does not include the social class of those white children their family background and were they live. You need to contextualise data.
Where I live a young white male but their a lot less of them is just as likely to stop and searched and have nothing found on him as young black male.
It is partly a small number of local people black/white fault they behave badly they like the Krays their a picture on the wall of local white drug dealer who died. It make the area and the law abiding people look bad.

I don't understand how the bit in bold can be true. Black children aren't just living on their own in London. According to government statistics, just under 20% of school children in London are black, and approx. 40% are white.

There is disproportion because they are more likely to commit crime! Jesus Christ.

That is greater London areas for example like Hillingdon were most children are white. In Hackney a higher crime area for example most children are black very few are white and their a lot of older white people and Jewish people.