Should Johnson & Hancock face criminal charges for mishandling the pandemic?

I mean, if they have broken the law they should face charges.. I'm open to that if you can show where they have broken the law.

If not though, then no, political failings shouldn't lead to criminal proceedings. It should just lead to them loosing their electability and subsequently all of their power/jobs.

Sadly, as I mentioned in the lockdown thread, I can't see this happening, and I expect some of them to come out of it pretty unscathed, and some - rishi + the vaccine minister to come out massively better than when they went in.

Surely, to convict them of these things, you would have to prove they did it with intent. Can incompetence be charged criminally in a job that anyone in the country can apply for and get?

if someone is speeding down the road and they hit someone, who later dies (without the intention to kill someone), they'd still get convicted. surely it's the consequence that results from your actions, rather than your intention that plays a part too?

Incompetence cant be charged criminally but treason and depriving someone of basic human rights can

Some good points. But speeding is well defined. We know what the law says, what is unacceptable and what the consequences are.

Back in March it was all a massive unknown and all manner of politicians and supposed experts were putting forward contrary ideas and solutions. You could argue on a variety of grounds that any set of outcomes could be seen as incompetent.

Some good points. But speeding is well defined. We know what the law says, what is unacceptable and what the consequences are.

Back in March it was all a massive unknown and all manner of politicians and supposed experts were putting forward contrary ideas and solutions. You could argue on a variety of grounds that any set of outcomes could be seen as incompetent.

apart from voting against the free school meals, Sunak and Zahawi have actually been quite upfront and did their jobs quite well.

On the other hand, Hancock and Johnson have not. Regardless of whether the vaccine roll out is a success. it cannot hide the failings by these two.

Treason, gross negligence and a basic deprivation of human rights (e.g, not allowing carehome resident to come home and see their lived ones/ not allowing loved ones inside care homes) are all criminal acts. I can put up with the lies and shifting of goalposts (what government hasn't done that) but the moment in which your failings contribute to the highest number of deaths in the world from covid, a destroyed economy, damages to livelihoods, businesses and mental health then consequences must be taken. No one is denying that the virus exists but when the secondary effects are worse than the virus itself, then you have problems.

Now the problem is, no one has the guts to call them out - the media are bankrolled by the government and government ministers wouldnt dare call out their pals. No one ever answers questions or think one positive can cover-up several failings. Unfortunately we are not like france/places like egypt/Libya where the people are vocal and take to the streets against government oppression. That's the only way it would work - unfortunately, people who do their will be labelled as 'troublemakers', 'conspiracy theorists' etc etc.

well we're 10 months into the pandemic and we have zero exit strategy and the worst number of deaths compared to any other country in the world. It's okay to get a few things wrong in the initial stages, but repeated failure after failure 10 months into the pandemic is not. What excuse do we have? Nz and australia were strict up front, dealt with things properly and are now pretty much back to normal, albeit with stricter border controls.

Should they face charges/jail terms for gross negligence, emotional abuse, treason, not to mention imposing rules which are a breach of basic human rights e.g, stopping care home residents from coming home to see their loved ones?

Everyone seems to have forgotten about all the failings by government ministers just because they've managed to get a vaccine rolled out...

apart from voting against the free school meals, Sunak and Zahawi have actually been quite upfront and did their jobs quite well.

On the other hand, Hancock and Johnson have not. Regardless of whether the vaccine roll out is a success. it cannot hide the failings by these two.

Treason, gross negligence and a basic deprivation of human rights (e.g, not allowing carehome resident to come home and see their lived ones/ not allowing loved ones inside care homes) are all criminal acts. I can put up with the lies and shifting of goalposts (what government hasn't done that) but the moment in which your failings contribute to the highest number of deaths in the world from covid, a destroyed economy, damages to livelihoods, businesses and mental health then consequences must be taken. No one is denying that the virus exists but when the secondary effects are worse than the virus itself, then you have problems.

Now the problem is, no one has the guts to call them out - the media are bankrolled by the government and government ministers wouldnt dare call out their pals. No one ever answers questions or think one positive can cover-up several failings. Unfortunately we are not like france/places like egypt/Libya where the people are vocal and take to the streets against government oppression. That's the only way it would work - unfortunately, people who do their will be labelled as 'troublemakers', 'conspiracy theorists' etc etc.

Imo yes. I want Hancock gone.

What for?