Rate the last seven or more PMs...

What about the president? Ursula what's her name

What about Bojo? He isnt elected outside of his constituency, allowing a few thousand people to decide who is the PM would seem more than slightly undemocratic, no? And completely applicable for the example you've given..
(nor are any of the MP's in the sense you have no choice in who stands for the party in your area)

Then again, I like democracy.

Except when Trump loses, tries to overturn the result and incites a coup . Then you seen to care much less about it

I’m not really others who wins in the states. They’ve seem to be actively going out of their way to elect pond life to key positions.

A demonstration isn’t a coup. You’d have needed either a mass movement of people to seize power (against the military backing the government) or the military taking over the government.

Had Trump called for the military to detain congress, I’d be agreeing with you.

Then again. They’ve voted one idiot out and elected another idiot in.

https://youtu.be/1cet6MLdgkc

Trump tried to overturn the valid election results. You can argue til the cows come home about the technicalities of a coup but it doesn't change the central point that thr American political right refused to accept the results of an election as legitimate and sought to overturn it.

So did Clinton.

It seems to be normal now in the US. Try and use the courts to get what you want.

Clinton conceded the day after the election. Trump still hasn't accepted the election result was legitimate.

Clinton didn't take the election to court.

Don't even try and pretend it's the same thing.

@imlikeahermit

I can't see Thatcher voting remain in 2016. She didn't like referendums and voted to join the EU in 75 but by the end of her life she became a Brexiteer

I’m not too bothered. Clinton, Biden and Trump are all shockingly poor politicians.

She wouldn’t have allowed the referendum in the first place, which makes everything after that null and void. She absolutely certainly wouldn’t have supported something which makes the poorest in society more reliant on the state.

I agree and that's why I'm a republican and support an elected president.

But the fact remains that the prime minister is more democratically accountable than the EU president. Thousands of members of the public could in theory depose a bad PM , the EU president has no such risk

So you don't believe the sources 🤣

By staying in the EU you would be the poorest more reliant state (the state being the EU !) I suspect if she was alive today she'd make Boris Johnson look like nick clegg

It’s not that I don’t believe the sources, it’s that she would have never allowed the referendum in the first place therefore we’d never be in the position we are in today.

Last part doesn’t even make sense, but I get the impression that you somehow believe staying in the EU makes us poorer, which is totally incorrect, and given that the governments own Brexit predictions has at least 1.75m jobs going, how is that not making the poor poorer?

Well she said we needed to have one so its reasonable to suggest that had one came about she would have supported it.

We both said and I quote 'making the poor more reliant upon the state' Not 'making the poor poorer' it doesn't necessarily follow that making people less reliant upon the state makes them richer.

My point is that being in the EU made people reliant upon the EU (state). This is why all the Thatcherites alive today such as Redwood, Tebbit etc are all brexiteers because in order to deregulate now is dependent whether it meets laws from Brussels



As above her life work was to oppose the lefts policies why would she support those same policies if they're done by the EU instead? If the EU returned to the basics she would support it again, but so would Nigel farage!

It makes them more reliant on the state because of the job losses. I know you and your little englanders see the EU as some giant conglomerate state but I don’t. I see it as our closest trading partner. I see it as our friend. There is absolutely no doubt that Brexit in it’s entirety will make people more reliant on the state as in our state; our new ‘sovereign’ government. We’re already seeing this with the U.K. now basically subsidising fishing because it doesn’t make enough money. Brexit makes everyone poorer, but will make the poorest in our society both reliant in the state, and poorer overall.

In regards to Thatcher she believed that referenda were the work of the devil, therefore there is no way we would have had the referendum in the first place. It doesn’t mean that I’m saying that she would have supported EU membership, however one would assume we would still be members, talking hypothetically.

Every time someone brings up Trump you deflect to talk about Democrats or the left.

It's really quite telling.