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Why do people dislike the left?

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Original post by Iconoclast01
Not really. Liberals are capitalists, and advocate for liberalised markets however they do not delude themselves into advocating for a 'truly' free market. This is because very few people who advocate for the free market truly understand what that entails. An truly free market is a case of 'the strong do as they will, and the weak suffer what they must' truly free markets are a market without regulation, without standards, safeguards or rules. In a truly free market you may sell anything you want too at any price, for any reason. Chattel slavery, child labour, unfair working conditions, corporate currency, generational contracts, indentured servitude, all of these thing are not only present but necessary for a totally free market. I only bring this up as very few people who advocate for a fully free market understand the implications of that argument.

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Original post by finlay291202
When the bill was introduced in 2013, half of the tory MPs voted against it, and there are tories like JRM who still don't agree with it. So 'the vast majority' is somewhat of an exaggeration, if not a lie.

Granted Piers may not have actually been offended by it, after all he is a professional ****stirrer, but there were people who were saying ****e like "Worlds gone mad!!!" simply because a dietary alternative that they didn't even have to buy or eat was on offer.

Also whenever LGBT+ people ask people to use their pronouns, or a boy wears a dress or whatever, there is a tidal wave of right wing lunatics giving it the "Teens used to be fighting in wars back then" ****e, as if fighting in a world war is a desirable situation.

Most of the right-wing are traditionalist lunatics who are, for some reason, petrified of any form of social progression.

As an LGBT person myself the situation has changed drastically since 2013 and is a very poor comparison for a debate 8 years later.
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I- what? :s-smilie:

Lol I'm lost 😂
Original post by Mikos
As an LGBT person myself the situation has changed drastically since 2013 and is a very poor comparison for a debate 8 years later.

Nearly half of the tory MPs voted against the NI legalisation of same-sex marriage in 2019.
Original post by Stark°3000
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I- what? :s-smilie:

Lol I'm lost 😂

It's an anarcho capitalist ball meme lol there's a ton of them for the different flavours of anarchism. Ancap is basically letting the free market wholly run society.
Haha? You say "labour gov" as if Blair's government was left-wing????????????
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Original post by finlay291202
Nearly half of the tory MPs voted against the NI legalisation of same-sex marriage in 2019.

You’re ignoring the fact that Ireland (both of them) is very religious and a different situation entirely to what we’ll find in England. That is a religious objection, not a traditionalist one.
Original post by _gcx
It's an anarcho capitalist ball meme lol there's a ton of them for the different flavours of anarchism. Ancap is basically letting the free market wholly run society.

Woah :frown: that's a bit extreme there are so many issues with that I don't think I could support it.
Original post by Mikos
You’re ignoring the fact that Ireland (both of them) is very religious and a different situation entirely to what we’ll find in England. That is a religious objection, not a traditionalist one.

Religious objection or traditionalist objection. It's still an objection to SSM. The RoI literally approved SSM in a 2015 referendum, so what does that first point have to do with anything?
Most left wing student activists I know start through volunteering at shelters, food banks and other activities. They get more involved as they continue. More often than not, it’s the Conservative students who spent more time worrying about worldwide issues. My uni’s Conservative association actually has a ball every year while the Labour society spent most of the year organising in one way or another.
Also forget which party recently last year believed Conversion Therapy was an appropriate thing to debate on whether or not it should be classed as: 'torture.' It's the same one by the way. Conservatives don't have to make sense have you seen Conservative leaders around the world? They lie without impunity and are considered cool for doing so. Whilst it's probably true that perhaps Conservatives voters themselves support LGBTQ+ it doesn't negate the fact they support a party that's recently removed Trans children with parents and consensual expert opinion to have HRT. Either way they're supporting a party that's contempt for these people and want to force reality into being simple binary thing.
Original post by Mikos
As an LGBT person myself the situation has changed drastically since 2013 and is a very poor comparison for a debate 8 years later.

Only for LGB tbh
Some people are scared of change.
Original post by finlay291202
When the bill was introduced in 2013, half of the tory MPs voted against it, and there are tories like JRM who still don't agree with it. So 'the vast majority' is somewhat of an exaggeration, if not a lie.

Granted Piers may not have actually been offended by it, after all he is a professional ****stirrer, but there were people who were saying ****e like "Worlds gone mad!!!" simply because a dietary alternative that they didn't even have to buy or eat was on offer.

Also whenever LGBT+ people ask people to use their pronouns, or a boy wears a dress or whatever, there is a tidal wave of right wing lunatics giving it the "Teens used to be fighting in wars back then" ****e, as if fighting in a world war is a desirable situation.

Most of the right-wing are traditionalist lunatics who are, for some reason, petrified of any form of social progression.

JRM is a Catholic though, so his views on gay marriage is to do with his interpretation of his religion, not necessarily his political stance :smile:
Original post by Stark°3000
Woah :frown: that's a bit extreme there are so many issues with that I don't think I could support it.

Yes. That's the point that is often missed in the debate about free markets, totally deregulating a market is pretty mental, but very few people ever bring up the issues of a completely deregulated market when it is brought up.
Once again Blair was not a leftist. Neither were most of the MPs in that PLP. The actual leftists, as you say, like Corbyn, Tony Benn, McDonnell etc. voted against it.
Exactly the same here. I find SJWs in general incredibly irritating though but because “leftist” can be associated with those types of people, I avoid using the term. Likewise saying you have some “right wing” views might get you plonked into the Conservative camp which I have no desire to be a part of. Hence I have my views and leave it at that.
Original post by laurawatt
JRM is a Catholic though, so his views on gay marriage is to do with his interpretation of his religion, not necessarily his political stance :smile:

Religion should not influence politics.
Tony Blair didn’t describe him as a socialist or part of the left. He actually described himself as part of Margaret Thatcher’s legacy. Even Corbyn refused to support Blair as soon as he got elected and went as far as to oppose him the entire time. The left at the time wasn’t even in Labour as they got ‘kicked out’ for being too extreme.
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Original post by finlay291202
Religious objection or traditionalist objection. It's still an objection to SSM. The RoI literally approved SSM in a 2015 referendum, so what does that first point have to do with anything?

The point is that someone’s religious beliefs can exist alongside otherwise incongruent political beliefs.

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