UK Gov publishes race report

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56585538

I can see this being the start of some controversy...

"Chairman Tony Sewell, an education consultant and ex-charity boss who led the review, said while there was anecdotal evidence of racism, there was no proof that there was "institutional racism" in Britain.

"No-one denies and no-one is saying racism doesn't exist", he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"We found anecdotal evidence of this. However, evidence of actual institutional racism? No, that wasn't there, we didn't find that."
Dr Sewell added that the term "institutional racism" is "sometimes wrongly applied" as a "sort of a catch-all phrase for micro-aggressions or acts of racial abuse"."

(He's black by the way.. not that it should matter, but it does to many progressive campaigners. That means you can call him an uncle tom, instead of/and a racist)

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A quick look to me shows a fair few flaws in the report, at least to my eyes.. but that's for a later date. For now I'm just a bit shocked that the conservatives actually put out a very anti-woke report that, in my aspects, flies in the face of the direction of progressive opinion. E.g. BLM. It's pretty balanced in my eyes. There are acceptances that racism is still a problem, but also huge acknowledgements of how far we have come, especially in education. Balanced doesn't mean correct though, and I'm sure there are many issues with it.

For balance, Prof Kehinde Andrews - known to anyone who watches breakfast TV as the first name to call when you want an extremely racialised and progressive viewpoint on TV, Called it Nonsense. and a PR move to pretend racism doesn't exist.

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Reply 1

Ascend

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56585538

The main findings were:

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Children from ethnic communities did as well or better than white pupils in compulsory education, with black Caribbean pupils the only group to perform less well

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This success in education has "transformed British society over the last 50 years into one offering far greater opportunities for all"

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The pay gap between all ethnic minorities and the white majority population had shrunk to 2.3% overall and was barely significant for employees under 30

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Diversity has increased in professions such as law and medicine

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But some communities continue to be "haunted" by historic racism, which is creating "deep mistrust" and could be a barrier to success

Reply 2

caravaggio2

Nice to see a bit of good news after us spending the last 12 months sailing on a sea of bleedin misery. 👍😁

Reply 3

JOSH4598

Original post by caravaggio2

Nice to see a bit of good news after us spending the last 12 months sailing on a sea of bleedin misery. 👍😁

I agree - if ever there was something to shut down the BLM demands it's a report led by a black man saying institutional racism does not exist in the UK!

Reply 4

fallen_acorns

Original post by JOSH4598

I agree - if ever there was something to shut down the BLM demands it's a report led by a black man saying institutional racism does not exist in the UK!

wishful thinking... There are many other black voices who are anti BLM, and they haven't exactly shut it down. How can they, they are quickly branded an uncle tom, told they are race traitors, have internalised racism, are just seeking favour from white people etc.

There are many good excuses that the race-activists will bring out to discredit this person, as always happens.

Reply 5

DSilva

The government says the government are doing a grest job. How surprising.

Reply 6

Occitanie

Original post by DSilva

The government says the government are doing a grest job. How surprising.

Wasn't it independent?

Reply 7

JOSH4598

Original post by fallen_acorns

Yes it is rather sad that when something fits the 'agenda' its written across banners and shoved into the headlines, and when something goes against that agenda its described as racist or sexist lies. People seem to chose which facts they believe...

Reply 8

DSilva

Original post by Occitanie

Wasn't it independent?

No. It was a government appointed commission led by someone who's on record for years stating they don't believe institutional racism exists.

So a government that doesn't believe institutional racism exists appoints a panel of people who don't believe institutional racism exists to produce a report saying institutional racism doesn't exist.

Reply 9

N. Auditoré

Original post by JOSH4598

I agree - if ever there was something to shut down the BLM demands it's a report led by a black man saying institutional racism does not exist in the UK!

Appeal to Authority Fallacy, just because a black man said that doesn’t make it true, these are promising stats but sadly they are just stats, the majority of real racism can’t be quantified. It’s ironic that the same day this report drops a school is under siege for banning Afros, imagine a school banning your natural hair which is exclusive to your race lmao. Everyone is so excited to act like racism is a thing of the past in this country which is weird. We’ve made progress but we are not there yet. But i guess when u don’t experience things firsthand it’s easy to look at numbers and ‘shut down BLM’

Reply 10

N. Auditoré

Original post by DSilva

I knew that this was probably the case for this research so I didn’t even bother reading it in-depth.
• Government wants everyone to think institutional racism is gone
• Government cherry-picks token black person who doesn’t believe in racism
• Research then cherry-picks quantifiable stats that paint the country in a positive light

Wasn’t it that young black man who was beaten to death by the police in Wales the other week and we still haven’t gotten the CCTV footage for it and his family weren’t allowed to see his body because of how it was manhandled? How do u quantify that? this country is exhausting not just for the racism that’s still present, but the way ethnic minorities are just constantly gaslighted. Like these are literally the same day...............

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Reply 11

N. Auditoré

Mistakenly posted twice but same sentiments

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Reply 12

N. Auditoré

Original post by fallen_acorns

well it’s not exactly difficult to discredit this person, calling the UK a ‘model majority white country’ is rather weird when some schools still ban ethnic hairstyles, people still face racism in their everyday lives and etc. They get discredited because when you’ve experienced racism firsthand and someone who should understand your own experiences tries to gaslight you and say you’re wrong it doesn’t exactly set a good look for them 🤡 what do you actually gain by working hard to discredit the experiences of so many? It really just does seem like he’s probably just some conservative craving favour from other ones

Reply 13

fallen_acorns

Original post by N. Auditoré

What other white countries would you rather he label the 'model'. If your picking from a group, and you say this is the model X/Y, its usually the best, that the rest should learn from. So if he is wrong, then where else?

The only real arguement I can see is for Canada. Australia, nah.. America.. nah.. Racial surveys constantly put us as the least racist in Europe when it comes to attitudes. South Africa? nah.. etc.

He does actually mention that racism still exists, especially day to day racism and online racism. But his point is that people confuse this for institutionalised racism.

For me, I think the report shows one thing we should all be proud of. Except one group, we live in a nation where minorities all have the chance to do as well as white pupils at school - and in fact do better. That is a pretty great thing right there for equality.

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Reply 14

-Imperator-

"Children from ethnic communities did as well or better than white pupils in compulsory education, with black Caribbean pupils the only group to perform less well".
You don't need to commission a report to find this out lol, the stats are freely available online.

Reply 15

Rakas21

Original post by N. Auditoré

I think your somewhat conflating the intent of the report.

Nobody is really suggesting that racism does not exist, what this report asserts is that this racism is not built into the system at an institutional level. That is to say that the report suggests that actually schools and employers have non-racist processes, it does not mean that somebody as an individual has not called you a (insert profanity).

This report was not designed to ask whether racism exists, it is whether racism exists institutionally.

Reply 16

N. Auditoré

Original post by fallen_acorns

I would rather he label none of them as model, relative superiority ≠ superiority. While the UK is admittedly better in a few aspects than other countries that doesn’t actually make is good as a whole, a common misconception often made. Besides, like u said i prefer Canada. This country is far from a model anything. Who is answering those racial surveys because I’m sure it’s probably white ppl (because we are in a majorly white country obviously) who are not the target demographic for racial abuse. Again, this is why trying to quantify racism is not effective often. Research methods have various drawbacks and advantages.

Also, institutional racism has many fields and colours that as i said, would probably not be covered. Trying to cover all of it is impossible hence why i said he cherry-picks. I see no mention of the fact that black women are like 4x more likely to die during childbirth, or how black people are more likely to wait longer for kidney transplants etc. Institutional racism is just that, institutional. It is interwoven under many surfaces. As Imperator pointed out, most of these stats were already available online and don’t exactly prove much.

As for those racial surveys as i said, or better yet in the words of Dave “the least racist is still racist”, no?

Also, hate crime inquiries by race increeased by 62% over lockdown so i would say we’re really not doing great at all or in a position to be celebrating being a model anything, as i said, just people trying their hardest to dismiss

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-62-rise-in-hate-crime-referrals-fuelled-by-abusive-neighbours-during-lockdown-12102949

Reply 17

N. Auditoré

Really and truly plenty of the UK’s institutions have racism, the media, the medical field, the royal family, i will say though, the education system is definitely getting so much better. a bit more work to be done but getting there.

Reply 18

N. Auditoré

Original post by Rakas21

School and Employers are not the only institutions, no? The Police? The Medical Field? Do y’all actually know how wide the term ‘institutional racism’ covers ¿

Reply 19

Rakas21

Original post by N. Auditoré

School and Employers are not the only institutions, no? The Police? The Medical Field? Do y’all actually know how wide the term ‘institutional racism’ covers ¿

While i have not read it to know if it includes the medical field there are multiple reports which have shown little to no evidence of racism in the current UK police at an institutional level. The UK is not the USA (granted there used to be). I can't imagine the health service can be accused of racism though given its probably got the highest proportion of immigrant labour.

The police in the UK are arguably the biggest sufferers as an institution because they get investigated every other year and people just ignore it when they are perpetually found innocent. Hell, the police in Rochdale allowed BAME folk to rape women such was their fear of being racist in their approach.