Children aged 12-15 to be offered covid jab at schools in England

Finally, even if it was a deliberate exaggeration, if it got a few more people to wear masks, socially distance, wash their hands, etc, it was entirely justified. So really not sure what your point is here.

My point is that even if you feel they are completely justified doing stuff like that, for some greater good, it makes it harder for people to trust them in the future. At the start of the pandemic Whitty discouraged people from wearing masks by suggesting they weren't useful. But the real reason for that advice was that they wanted to protect supplies for the hospital staff. And sure enough once they were certain the NHS had enough, the advice changed and said we should be wearing masks after all.

Now you could argue that he was also justified misleading people there, that the priority was to ensure the NHS had the PPE they needed. It's a valid argument, and in his position I might have done the same. But the fact remains that's now two occasions where the Chief Medical Adviser has willingly misled the public for what he felt was a greater good. So the problem is how do I know that isn't happening again? When I hear Whitty say the vaccine is safe, how can I be sure he's telling the truth this time and not misleading me?

I hope schools do not force students to get the jab, any school that does it should be sued

Has anyone suggested that schools are going to force children to have it?

Similarly, I hope my uni doesn't force students to do yoga. Any uni that does should be sued.

No but if the tories are stupid enough to implement it there will be uproar and rightly so

So you accept that even if it was deliberately misleading, it was necessary for the greater good.
Really fail to see what you are so upset about.

The vaccinations are being done by external visitors from the local health authority not by school staff. These professionals will not force any student to get vaccinated, it is completely optional so there is no question of anyone getting sued.

Completely optional but you'll be treated like a second class citizen if you don't. The unvaccinated will be denied equal civil rights because of who we are. Apartheid is alive and thriving in 21st century Britain. At least Rosa Parks was allowed on the bus, we won't even be allowed that.

No but if the tories are stupid enough to implement it there will be uproar and rightly so

The vaccinations are being done by external visitors from the local health authority not by school staff. These professionals will not force any student to get vaccinated, it is completely optional so there is no question of anyone getting sued.

It might have been for the greater good, but what gives them the right to make decisions like that on our behalf?

If something is for the greater good, why not just be honest with the public. Why the lies and manipulation?

It has created issues with vaccine hesitancy.

Whitty has shown that he's willing to mislead the public if he feels it's for the greater good. So how do I know that isn't the case when he promises us the vaccine is safe? Isn't it possible that he'd lie about that if he felt there was some kind of greater good that justified it?

Completely optional but you'll be treated like a second class citizen if you don't. The unvaccinated will be denied equal civil rights because of who we are. Apartheid is alive and thriving in 21st century Britain. At least Rosa Parks was allowed on the bus, we won't even be allowed that.

Completely optional but you'll be treated like a second class citizen if you don't. The unvaccinated will be denied equal civil rights because of who we are. Apartheid is alive and thriving in 21st century Britain. At least Rosa Parks was allowed on the bus, we won't even be allowed that.

Similarly, if the Tories are stupid enough to implement mandatory gold lurex hot pants for all government employees there will be uproar and rightly so.

I don't know what you are trying to do here, but is certainly seems like one of your typical strawman tactics

The vaccine was never really intended to reduce deaths

The vaccinations are being done by external visitors from the local health authority not by school staff. These professionals will not force any student to get vaccinated, it is completely optional so there is no question of anyone getting sued.

"completely optional"?

ALL medical treatments whether vaccine or not LEGALLY require Informed Consent. I would be hugely surprised if any 12 to 15yr old child has been given the full information about the vaccines, about the numbers of adverse effects, about their realistic chances of getting serious illness, about the ingredients and so on. Where there is no informed consent, there is liability and people can and will be sued and rightly so.

How would the ingredients list help a typical laymen?