U.K. to offer emergency visas to HGV drivers.

By denying the fact that Brexit would lead to shortages and that us "remoaners" were doing "project fear". We were being told that this was project fear by pro-brexiteers, this ain't project fear (the fact that we warned brexiteers about there would most like be shortages due to Brexit) shortages mate, this is project reality as I saw a comment on YouTube say. In short you were wrong about the idea that brexit would no lead to shortages and that brits would easily be able to fill up the jobs of those EU immagrants. We have shortages, brits are not applying en masse for the jobs that EU and EEA immigrants were doing.

A- these problems are occurring inside the EU as well- and would have happened if we had stayed in the EU.

B- even if somehow this was unique and was a direct result of Brexit then it is still a billion miles away from this economic apocalypse George Osborne told us would happen. In fact it's been s positive bargain..

Name me an EU country whose shortages are just as bad as the UK or worst (should be easy to do).

A- these problems are occurring inside the EU as well- and would have happened if we had stayed in the EU.

B- even if somehow this was unique and was a direct result of Brexit then it is still a billion miles away from this economic apocalypse George Osborne told us would happen. In fact it's been s positive bargain..

Poland. There you are.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9946817/Now-lorry-driver-shortage-hits-Europe-Germany-France-Spain-suffer-shortfall-400-000.html

Took a global "pandemic response", involving massive supply chain freezes (plus ill-advised and ill-timed legislation adversely impacting off-payroll workers in the private sector, affecting many HGV drivers), to finally make their mutterings, that they're trying to pin on Brexit, even remotely relevant. Also don't know why employers are taken at face-value on this - they want cheap migrant labour and many have zero desire to upskill the British workforce. Evidently that could be said of the government, too. Constantly plugging the labour supply in a stop-gap manner, because the welfare and educational system combined fail to address longer term shortages and some people make money off this, is foolish.

Took a global "pandemic response", involving massive supply chain freezes (plus ill-advised and ill-timed legislation adversely impacting off-payroll workers in the private sector, affecting many HGV drivers), to finally make their mutterings, that they're trying to pin on Brexit, even remotely relevant. Also don't know why employers are taken at face-value on this - they want cheap migrant labour and many have zero desire to upskill the British workforce. Evidently that could be said of the government, too. Constantly plugging the labour supply in a stop-gap manner, because the welfare and educational system combined fail to address longer term shortages and some people make money off this, is foolish.

By denying the fact that Brexit would lead to shortages and that us "remoaners" were doing "project fear". We were being told that this was project fear by pro-brexiteers, this ain't project fear (the fact that we warned brexiteers about there would most like be shortages due to Brexit) shortages mate, this is project reality as I saw a comment on YouTube say. In short you were wrong about the idea that brexit would no lead to shortages and that brits would easily be able to fill up the jobs of those EU immagrants. We have shortages, brits are not applying en masse for thel jobs that EU and EEA immigrants were doing.

So tag and don't put words in my mouth, never said that Brexit is the sole reason for the shortages, simply saying that the idea that Brexit wouldn't have lead to any shortages is false. Burton asked how Brexiteers were wrong, this is how they are wrong, simple as that and can also agree with the idea that the welfare system is bad. Don't care if you support Brexit or not but own up to the fact that Brexit was at least a partial reason (not the sole reason) as to why we have shortages. Some remainers want to put the entire blame on Brexit, I personally will not.

Then I read


This appears to be back peddling as information you were not aware of has been presented. You are now trying to differentiate yourself from the opinions of "remainers" as a group while lumping me in with the opinions of "brexiteers" as a group!

So when I say project fear was proved incorrect, I can provide direct examples of this but if seems you can't regarding HGV driver shortage. The irony of you looking for a simple solution to blame for a complex problem is not going undetected

Like it or not your argument is patchy and appears a little desperate, which is like the Remain campaign full stop - which in turn is why you lost.

So again why am I wrong? How is the shorage of HGV Drivers brexits fault and not the fault of the policy of our sovereign government?

This is somewhere between a long-standing issue (not just restricted to the transport industry) of wanting to poach staff from competitors instead of training your own and rewarding loyalty, and the abruptness of departures due to Covid and Brexit.

We've got well over a million unemployed, and probably another million still on furlough who could work in a 'live' job if not still waiting on their dormant one. And we've only got a shortage of 100,000 HGV drivers. If 5% of those people trained as drivers, we'd be sorted. But the problem is training so many in such a short time.

I would like to see some sort of incentive from the government that if a company wants these visas, they have to also train new drivers. Any company refusing to train new drivers can suffer the shortage.

Then I read


This appears to be back peddling as information you were not aware of has been presented. You are now trying to differentiate yourself from the opinions of "remainers" as a group while lumping me in with the opinions of "brexiteers" as a group!

So when I say project fear was proved incorrect, I can provide direct examples of this but if seems you can't regarding HGV driver shortage. The irony of you looking for a simple solution to blame for a complex problem is not going undetected

Like it or not your argument is patchy and appears a little desperate, which is like the Remain campaign full stop - which in turn is why you lost.

So again why am I wrong? How is the shorage of HGV Drivers brexits fault and not the fault of the policy of our sovereign government?

Ouch? You mean like the government forces companies to employ staff and pay over the going rate in wages? No thank you.

What has happened here is companies have relied on being able to recruit drivers from the whole of Europe, then all of a sudden some decided we don't want foreigners driving British trucks and surprise surprise, there aren't enough truck drivers because all the Europeans have gone home. This isn't really the making of the government although I suppose you can blame Boris for backing the winning side (he used to be staunchly pro European). I blame all the little Islanders who voted Brexit. They have made our bed. We must all now lie in it. And this is just the start. Christmas is going to be a disaster!

Am I the only one who frankly doesn't care about Turkey shortages at Christmas, gift shortages etc? Like Christmas is supposed to be about family or Jesus (if you're religious)🤷🏾*♀️ (sucks for the poor though who were perhaps finally looking at buying their families gifts this year) not the food, gifts etc.

Yeah - I used to think like that too. But you wait until you have kids of your own and a bunch on in-laws bearing down on you. To be fair, Christmas these days is lovely.

Nah trust me the only reason why I care about Christmas IS because of the gifts but I'm trying to say (I know I sound hypocritical) that that's not what Christmas should be about, Christmas should be about spending time with your loved ones, creating good memories, celebrating the birth of Jesus if you're religious, having a good time without panicking about how your going to get your child a PS5 for Christmas or whatever.

I couldn't agree more. And what is the centre piece of spending quality time with loved ones? Sharing food together. It is about the most human activity you can get. The thought of not being able to do that at Christmas is quite upsetting to a lot of people and they are rightly concerned.

True but the food doesn't need to be a fancy turkey is what I'm trying to say , just need to be good food that everyone likes can be pastry, chicken, salmon or whatever (coming from a picky eater). Hopefully we can get Turkeys for Christmas but for me that's not something I necessarily care about.

I agree. But tradition is tradition for some.