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What you see on social media is entirely dependent on who you follow; for example, I don’t any models on my feed. Obesity rate in Singapore is only 9.8% so companies don’t have to cater to the small minority when they do it by choice. I don’t understand your point about portraying overweight people as beautiful as beauty is subjective but most people are turned off by weight. Moreover, the media should also be responsible in not promoting unhealthy lifestyles. I personally don’t care about hourglass bodies as long as she’s in a healthy weight range. However, I do agree with your last point about how girls shouldn’t be portrayed as weak.

almost every social media platform has algorithms that push popular things based on demographics. not every site is tumblr.

What you see on social media is entirely dependent on who you follow; for example, I don’t any models on my feed. Obesity rate in Singapore is only 9.8% so companies don’t have to cater to the small minority when they do it by choice. I don’t understand your point about portraying overweight people as beautiful as beauty is subjective but most people are turned off by weight. Moreover, the media should also be responsible in not promoting unhealthy lifestyles. I personally don’t care about hourglass bodies as long as she’s in a healthy weight range. I do agree with your last point about how girls shouldn’t be portrayed as weak.

Indeed being overweight should not be portrayed as beautiful because:
1) it's not.
2) it's unhealthy.
The weakness point is just politeness and in actuality women cannot carry as heavy loads as men on average so it is somewhat sensible to offer. Though personally I wouldn't try to carry anyone's load.
You are right about body shape, in general people do not care about that as long as the female is clearly of a healthy weight.

Indeed being overweight should not be portrayed as beautiful because:
1) it's not.
2) it's unhealthy.
The weakness point is just politeness and in actuality women cannot carry as heavy loads as men on average so it is somewhat sensible to offer. Though personally I wouldn't try to carry anyone's load.
You are right about body shape, in general people do not care about that as long as the female is clearly of a healthy weight.

being overweight can be caused by a number of genetic factors and it's unfair to expect everyone to be "average" despite them. being overweight is unhealthy due to secondary effects that can be managed individually to varying degrees. having chronic pain isn't really healthy but that doesn't mean they can't be portrayed as attractive?
remember heroin chic? the current trend is that butt-lift plastic surgery rate with a high mortality rate? don't act like there aren't huge pressures for women's bodies to be certain shapes.

Even with genetics considered, obesity can still be overcome with a healthy diet, exercise, sleep, hydration etc. Anyone can be healthy weight if they put effort into it. Health does have correlation to attraction and saying that the majority of people would find being overweight attractive is lying to yourself. I wasn’t around when heroin chic was a trend 30 years ago and had to google what it is which shows that it’s not an issue for modern society. I believe that women play too much of an emphasis on (healthy) body shapes, just like how men put too much emphasis on height, when the opposite sex cares much less about it.

being overweight can be caused by a number of genetic factors and it's unfair to expect everyone to be "average" despite them. being overweight is unhealthy due to secondary effects that can be managed individually to varying degrees. having chronic pain isn't really healthy but that doesn't mean they can't be portrayed as attractive? losing weight through calorie deficits can be incredibly taxing on your body, and isn't an option for everyone, especially lower/lower-middle class people.
remember heroin chic? the current trend is that butt-lift plastic surgery rate with a high mortality rate? don't act like there aren't huge pressures for women's bodies to be certain shapes.

You can't portray a massive turn-off as attractive lol. Whether it's genetic or not means nothing... I'm not going to have a change of heart in a sexual manner for someone with cystic fibrosis or some other condition just because they cannot control it? It doesn't work that way. Now, it's also a turn off if the girl's bum isn't natural... that's a waste of time. If someone was so desperate they could do some workout to increase the size of their bottom in a healthy manner... No, you cannot be attractive if you have chronic pain or whatever. Attractiveness doesn't work like your rather utopian suggestion. No there aren't huge pressures and if there are they are coming from the women themselves. Guys only care about (in regards to attractiveness) whether one is slim, and subsequently their breasts and bottom which of course cannot be controlled and if the girl undergoes surgery to change it it would turn off guys if they know it's fake. So overall these 'societal pressures' are nonsensical as there's no effective way to change one's body to conform to these pressures, so the pressures are effectively meaningless. I acknowledge that I have likely deviated from the original topic, sort of rambled on...

being attractive is subjective, and deciding that a group of people are universally unattractive because you've been taught that fatness is inherently unhealthy is the problem. i couldn't care less who you individually find attractive, but sweeping statements about what types of bodies deserve to be found attractive by anyone are nonsensical.
a better example than cystic fibrosis is acne scars. saying everyone with acne scars can't be attractive is strange. plenty of people have acne scars, and plenty of them are attractive, even if generally we're taught they're not an attractive feature.
beauty standards are reinforced by everyone, not just men. i literally just mentioned the fact that billion dollar industries need this demand in order to exist.
you do realize that just because a beauty standard is unattainable or conflicting doesn't mean people won't try to attain it, right? eating disorders exist for a reason lmao. anorexic men can't simultaneously have defined muscles + be underweight. i still see them try though.

You can still be slim and healthy even if genetically predisposed to being overweight.
Healthy body shapes are more likely to be pressures from women rather than men. Men as a collective do not care about the 'hourglass figure'. They care about the T and A which can easily be detected as fake and from surgery which is a turnoff. Thus your idea of societal expectations is effectively meaningless as there is no meaningful way to change the main attributes that matter.
Massive turn-offs that the majority of the male population have cannot be portrayed as attractive in a woman and vice versa... It's rather silly to suggest that could possibly be the case.
Also bad genetics is not an excuse for the failure to be attractive. Never heard of heroin chic I'm 14...

healthy diet and exercise are not available to everyone. certain medical conditions make it harder to lose weight, exercise + diet both require economic means. fat people are not inherently unhealthy, you can eat a healthy diet+exercise and still be fat. People should not be expected to maintain a state of stress on their body in order to be able to be considered attractive.

You keep treating the models + beauty standards OP was referring to as if the standard is a healthy weight. idk how to tell you this, but models are often borderline underweight. A lot of the people you would consider "chubby" are within a normal weight range. bodies are far more complex than a number between 18.5 and 25.

I wasn't saying heroin chic was the current trend, I was listing it as an example of drastic standards from the past (i also listed a current trend btw, which you seem to have missed). Women place emphasis on those things because there are billion dollar industries based on convincing them their body shape is incorrect and needs to be fixed.

what exactly am i lying to myself about?

There are multiple articles stating that the beauty standard has changed over the years - and that being obese was desired (not to say it's necessarily healthy but ):
https://www.thelist.com/44261/womens-perfect-body-types-changed-throughout-history/

Also if companies should not be promoting unhealthiness, I'm sure you won't mind KFC, McDonalds and other fast food restaurants having their ads wiped from the face of the earth?

The A you mention relates to the hourglass figure??

For a 14 year old, you seem incredibly ignorant to the pressures that come from both men and women to look a certain way...
You also both seem to have missed the current trend that someone mentioned?

"If a beauty standard is unattainable... then it's their fault or the fault of their mental illness that they are pursuing it."
- No it isn't, it's the fault of the company for pushing this out and telling people this is what is attractive (when a lot of the time it's just editing), if you see that another human can look like that, it's extremely easy to assume that you can too?

Well, it is inherently unhealthy so I don't see your point. What you've effectively stated here is that "The truth is the problem". That's rather absurd. And attraction has nothing to do with that regardless. I never used the word deserve. I don't think people necessarily deserve to be attractive- they just happen to be as such. Of course being attractive is subjective. But there is a trend as to what people are attracted to- slim, healthy, bodies. Companies can promote whatever the s*** they want to , that won't change sexual attraction at all. If a beauty standard is unattainable... then it's their fault or the fault of their mental illness that they are pursuing it.
Well anorexia is not a good example in that case as it's unattractive to be that thin. Again, this is a 'sweeping statement' that applies to most men...

Even considering medical conditions, which isn't the predominant cause of obesity, it can be managed with medications such as with levothyroxine in hypothyrodism. The economic argument you mentioned has an opposite effect on health, wealthy countries tend to have higher obesity rates. Exercise, such as walking/cycling to work or jogging in the park is free, and vegetables are cheaper than meat; nobody's saying that weight loss can only be achieved in a gym with a personal trainer. Saying that obesity is unhealthy is false especially when it is a major risk factor in many conditions like type 2 diabetes and coronary heart disease.

I have never mentioned models as the beauty standard, idk where you got that from, underweight people are unattractive too. I'm only using the simplified medical definition as what is considered healthy. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/obesity/

I was about to go to sleep and didn't want to research bbl. I'm assuming that you're talking about this
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/feb/09/brazilian-butt-lift-worlds-most-dangerous-cosmetic-surgery
I've only skim-read it but based on what I saw, most of the deaths are caused by cheaper clinics abroad which perform the surgery to a lower standard. Kim Kardashian is cited as one of the pressures in the article. I agree that Kim Kardashian's body is unobtainable and unappealing and she is a negative influence to women. The billion dollar companies have their interests, but it's up to women to decide if they want to serve their interests or not.
You're lying to yourself if you believe that society should be attracted to what is conventionally unattractive. Isn't it easier to change individuals to fit what is considered attractive than to change society to be attracted to an unattractive trait?

wealthy countires tend to have higher access to processed food, hence higher rates of obesity. obesity is far more complex than the per capita GDP and % of overweight adults. You cannot achieve the beauty standard by walking to work or jogging in the park. On average fruit costs about 54 cents per 100 calories. Vegetables cost about 68. grains cost about 10, fats and oils cost about 17, and sweets cost about 22. (also meat is $.41 per 100 cal. so you're wrong and not on the right topic)
type 2 diabetes and heart disease are unhealthy, but both can be managed, as well as being overweight.
I have been consistently referring to anyone overweight, because not all people who don't fit the beauty standard are obese. (People who are slightly-somewhat overweight tend to live longer btw. just saying)

models are the beauty standard OP was talking about. (i'm also including the specific instagram-model style btw)
Exactly! you are using simplified definitions to refer to complex biological processes like fat distribution, metabolism, the release of insulin, heart disease, etc.

The fact that there is a demand for this despite the risks is the problem. Again, unappealing, to you. She's popular for a reason. (well multiple, but people definitely do think she's hot). There are social pressures to pursue unattainable beauty standards, and there are repercussions for people who do not live up to them. (ex. Overweight people are less likely to be chosen in job interviews)