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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    Parties move centre right because that is where Britain is. Like it or not, Britain is majority Conservative with a small c. Had Thatcher not gone mad and put that idiot Major in charge of the country and Blair come along with his shiny new approach, the Conservatives would have had atleast another 5 years in my opinion.

    Your right, they all conservative dressed in different political parties just some are more further to the right than others, labour under Blair was Centre right even though they were meant to be centre left.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    Suppose you watched a person playing with a pistol as he fires a live round into his chin. The act itself notwithstanding, would you find this person sane if he then turned around and started berating his chin for gushing out violent torrents of blood?

    These protests are a REACTION. When will you dummies start to appreciate this?



    Oh and so paying £48million a day to the EU is good economic management?

    Handing over £4billion to bail out Ireland is making savings?

    Don't be so naive!

    They've given you a bunch of empty excuses.
    Nice of you to ignore other points by editing.

    Anyway, there is no justificaiton for violence. The riots are not defensive in any manner.

    You seem anti-EU. Your opinions. Under Labour, TB took away the rebate- so we pay more. Under Labour, the EU got money. hock:

    Bailing out Ireland was necessary for our economy. We trade 2 times more with Ireland than we do with BRIC combined and a hell a lot of more than France and Germany. We been told by Labour, the UK is on par with France and Germany. Somehow, I don't think so. The markets compared the UK to Greece.
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    Never heard so much do-lally in my life. Not one truthful statement there, Britain is not a fixed podium where the public sway towards. The people have autonomy and are at liberty to favour the party which most portrays their views.
    Explain to me why then clever-clogs why old labour crumpled and was handed its arse on a plate before it realized what I have said. Old labour isn't popular, socialism isn't popular in the UK. The middle class is the largest actively voting/and abstaining portion of the UK, they do not go for socialists ideas normally. New labour got voted in because Blair remade the party, had it not been for Thatchers blunders and Blairs excellent public speech abilities and new image for labour, they would not have seen the light of day.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    There are many third world communities much better off than some of the poorer communities here in this country.

    Whenever you're ready to be stunned let me know.

    I'm willing to show you what I mean.
    Moved on from students to communites. I am already panting. I need to catch up.

    Yes, like I stated that under Labour, child poverty was on the increase. This was during the "good years".

    You seem to blame the tories for everything. Yeesh. You would think that for the past 13 years the tories were in power.
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    (Original post by Yawza)
    You are a very intelligent dude. Like am saying they have made us believe that Marxism is communism and we all know communism failed. Namely, the Soviet Union and none of us wish to live as they did. However, the real essence of Marxism was socialism and this can be found in the true democracy found in ancient Athens. I do believe we have evolved more morally since 5 bc; such as eventually giving women the vote and abolishing slavery but the current system is regressive we are in effect wage slaves.

    We need real democracy where we can vote on key issues what we have now is just a more sophisticated version of communism where our lives is dictated for us and social order is maintained through a false sense of individual influence; in the vote system and free speech.
    Agree

    Good to know people are not happy with current issues as i dont see how anyone could ever be. Obviously some people are not but they do not voice there opinions and are distracted because they are out shopping or seeing friends or working. These are not bad things at all in my view, i believe everyone should work towards society and have an equal voice, what i would hate to see is rows of identical houses and people and shops and clothes etc as that is what most peoples mental image of Communism is.

    People who want to succeed should be able to, i wouldn't want a system that will stop people from achieving more than others if they have the raw determination to do so. I dont think wages are at all fair as well as the whole 'eligibility' for access to certain things that can easily be made free in this day and age.

    It is a complex issue but we are more than capable of changing the unfair aspects of this world without sucking the life out of anything effected which has been brought up by a lot of people who, as i, believe in a total revamp of the systems we have is in order!
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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    Explain to me why then clever-clogs why old labour crumpled and was handed its arse on a plate before it realized what I have said. Old labour isn't popular, socialism isn't popular in the UK. The middle class is the largest actively voting/and abstaining portion of the UK, they do not go for socialists ideas normally. New labour got voted in because Blair remade the party, had it not been for Thatchers blunders and Blairs excellent public speech abilities and new image for labour, they would not have seen the light of day.
    You can't just make these generalisations, who are you? president of the world? The era of New Labour is over and i'll think you find that the left-wing have always had greater praise then the right if we are speaking about the middle-class. I cannot speak for Labour but I can speak for left-wing ideologies and it is clear that the principles are much more progressive and harmonious towards the common person in comparison to the Tory mumbo-jumbo that you hear. If fact Cameron rolls on this "Big-Society" idea which from intuition is clearly a left-wing favourable topic.
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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    They're are a reaction to austerity. If you give someone an object that benefits them and then take it away, they are obviously going to be angry.
    Who are you to assume the right to give people things which essentially already belong to them? This is one of the main sources of ire; Tories are completely out of touch with the majority of the population.

    (Original post by Ocassus)
    It doesn't make it any less necessary. People don't like austerity, but sometimes it is needed to be taken on the chin, why? Because we live in a world where skill and value are distributed unevenly within the human race, it is part of the human condition.
    My inchoate point exemplified! How can you serve people you despise? How can you claim to be innately superior to the people you mean to govern and expect them to trust you, or expect to counteract your hubris sufficiently to apportion equitable treatment to all?

    On the contrary. You are INFERIOR. Hubris is a handicap. You are not fit to govern human beings when you believe you are above them.


    (Original post by Ocassus)
    We are not all equal, our opinions and knowledge are not all equal and to treat us as such is simply unjust to those who put in more.
    If you believe this, take your superior people and leave. Why expose yourselves to unnecessary grief trying to live alongside inferior life? Why make sweeping statements about equality when this is really what you believe?

    (Original post by Ocassus)
    However your opinion on the Conservatives being 'evil' is purely subjective. Pray tell me, if a large portion of the population voted for this party, does it not give a clue that perhaps people have had enough with excessive inflation and a bottomless pit of debt?
    No. It tells me a large population of lemmings easily taken in by those pandering to base esteem have been deluded. It tells me there exists large numbers of self seeking sociopaths all looking to profit from a lawless free for all with absolutely no regard for the well being or rights of genuine human life.

    (Original post by Ocassus)
    Can I call Socialists evil because they want to take what I have earnt through my own efforts away and give it to those who have not put in the effort I have?
    No. Your own efforts were invested in making other people poor. This is what you fail to realize. Again, since resources are finite and you are aware of this fact, then you are aware that making a personal profit must be at the expense of others. If you didn't know this, now you do.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Nice of you to ignore other points by editing.

    Anyway, there is no justificaiton for violence. The riots are not defensive in any manner.

    You seem anti-EU. Your opinions. Under Labour, TB took away the rebate- so we pay more. Under Labour, the EU got money. hock:

    Bailing out Ireland was necessary for our economy. We trade 2 times more with Ireland than we do with BRIC combined and a hell a lot of more than France and Germany. We been told by Labour, the UK is on par with France and Germany. Somehow, I don't think so. The markets compared the UK to Greece.
    Hardly any of our growth is through exports, so I don't think bailing out Ireland is too important.

    Though there are many other reasons it was necessary to bail out Ireland...
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Moved on from students to communites. I am already panting. I need to catch up.

    Yes, like I stated that under Labour, child poverty was on the increase. This was during the "good years".

    You seem to blame the tories for everything. Yeesh. You would think that for the past 13 years the tories were in power.
    Oh?

    Taking away whatever hope young people had and putting the brightest minds in those households in life-long debt is a real solution right?
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    labour party; scum of the earth, party for the unions and the work shy, that will be all.
    There we go.
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    (Original post by perrytheplatypus)
    Hardly any of our growth is through exports, so I don't think bailing out Ireland is too important.

    Though there are many other reasons it was necessary to bail out Ireland...
    That is pretty damning of Labour's time.

    Yet you accept that there was a need to bail out Ireland
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    (Original post by Hippysnake)
    I LOVE DAVID CAMERON.

    He's so hawt. And his policies make me ***.

    NOTE:The above post is a complete joke.
    More than you know.
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    There we go.
    Don't misquote me, you aussi ****.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    Who are you to assume the right to give people things which essentially already belong to them? This is one of the main sources of ire; Tories are completely out of touch with the majority of the population.
    But they don't belong to them? Knowledge does not belong to people? It is a construct of the mind based on the understanding of ones surroundings, it is past on because our early ancestors realized that in order to give their children the best chance at surviving, they need skills to survive.
    We live in a representative democracy, the issue with direct democracy which is what you essentially propose is that it tilters on the fact that not everybody IS educated enough. People assume a pack mentality and become stupider for it. Individuals are far far more capable than groups in terms of reasoning. It becomes a form of mental snowball.


    (Original post by gimme more)
    My inchoate point exemplified! How can you serve people you despise? How can you claim to be innately superior to the people you mean to govern and expect them to trust you, or expect to counteract your hubris sufficiently to apportion equitable treatment to all?

    On the contrary. You are INFERIOR. Hubris is a handicap. You are not fit to govern human beings when you believe you are above them.
    Oh aye? When did I say I despise those who are inferior? It is YOU who are making assumptions now. But is it not acceptable that the superior lead the inferior, rather than operating in reverse? Would you truly have a bunch of clots leading intellectuals? No, because that is not a natural order.
    Human beings are human, and we are all important to some degree. As an individual spark of life that makes us alive, we are equal. But in terms of who we are? Well... that is more of a divide. But that is not something humans have carried on, if we were to go back to our genetic roots, we could simply let the weak starve and die. But we have evolved compassion beyond our immediate family, and thus do not. Because survival of the fittest no longer strongly applies to us, people in the UK 'live', some perhaps not well, but they live...




    (Original post by gimme more)
    If you believe this, take your superior people and leave. Why expose yourselves to unnecessary grief trying live alongside inferior life? Why make sweeping statements about equality when this is really what you believe?
    Leave to where? You forget this country was essentially formed from multitudes of hierarchical societies. IE the Romans, William the conqueror etc. If all the businessmen, all the bankers, all the people who create, what would there be left? Nothing. Because not everybody has the ability to perform a task as difficult as being a doctor or a neurologist. Its a fact, accept it.

    (Original post by gimme more)
    No. It tells me a large population of lemmings easily taken in by those pandering to base esteem have been deluded. It tells me there exists large numbers of self seeking sociopaths all looking to profit from a lawless free for all with absolutely no regard for the well being or rights of genuine human life.
    People support welfare in some form or another, but they do not support luxuries being paid for by them. They support people being kept alive, dying on the streets is not acceptable in a civilized society, regardless for what reasons the individual has for actually supporting it.
    Humans are not born innately with 'rights' either. They are once again a social construct, in a lawless free for all humanity would revert back to its primal nature. It is law that partially created the notion of society. In this primal state pack would look after pack and wars between them for resources would spring up. Humans are divisive, we are not all of the same opinion clearly. So do not bring up sensationalist rubbish, because it reeks of strawman.



    (Original post by gimme more)
    No. Your own efforts were invested in making other people poor. This what you fail to realize. Again, since resources are finite and you are aware of this fact, then you are aware that making a personal profit must be at the expense of others. If you didn't know this, now you do.
    Everything a human does is at the expense of another. Unless we live in complete solitude from one another our actions will exercise the butterfly effect onto one another. Resource are not so finite in this country that people starve to death, the basics are provided for on pretty much all levels Why do you think somebody who has not worked a day in their lives deserves the luxuries of somebody who has?

    If you live your life trying to blame others, whether it be through your own fault or not, you will never improve your situation. Like my sig says, the circumstances of ones birth are ultimately irrelevant, it is what you do with the gift of life, that determines who you are.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Nice of you to ignore other points by editing.

    Anyway, there is no justificaiton for violence. The riots are not defensive in any manner.

    You seem anti-EU. Your opinions. Under Labour, TB took away the rebate- so we pay more. Under Labour, the EU got money. hock:

    Bailing out Ireland was necessary for our economy. We trade 2 times more with Ireland than we do with BRIC combined and a hell a lot of more than France and Germany. We been told by Labour, the UK is on par with France and Germany. Somehow, I don't think so. The markets compared the UK to Greece.
    You'll find that I tend to avoid responding to all of your comments. It's just a way of being diplomatic.

    Regarding the validity of violence:

    Violence is justified when a system of law predicated on the fear of violence is misused.

    People obey laws because they fear the consequences. Those consequences are ultimately unpleasant and physical. Therefore, if a government fails to serve its people, it should be threatened with the same unpleasant physicality (stoppages, detainment, corporal punishment, financial penalties) which it is prepared to dispense.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    You'll find that I tend to avoid responding to all of your comments. It's just a way of being diplomatic.

    Regarding the validity of violence:

    Violence is justified when a system of law predicated on the fear of violence is misused.

    People obey laws because they fear the consequences. Those consequences are ultimately unpleasant and physical. Therefore, if a government fails to serve its people, it should be threatened with the same unpleasant physicality (stoppages, detainment, corporal punishment, financial penalties) which it is prepared to dispense.
    You'll find that I tend to concerned about your comments in support of violence. Did you support Haroald Shipman?
    No justification for violence. No one should damage, vandalise or even destory property, even more worrying no one should have any right to threaten or put people in fear of violence.
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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    But they don't belong to them? Knowledge does not belong to people?
    Of course it does. Well, I suppose this depends on which type of people you mean. Christian people should be aware of a statement found in the writings underpinning their tenets: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."

    It is a construct of the mind based on the understanding of ones surroundings, it is past on because our early ancestors realized that in order to give their children the best chance at surviving, they need skills to survive.
    In other words you believe only Tories should survive?

    Oh aye? When did I say I despise those who are inferior?
    You don't have to say it.

    It is YOU who are making assumptions now. But is it not acceptable that the superior lead the inferior, rather than operating in reverse?
    It all depends on who defines these things. A mortal Conservative Party member's definition of "superior" is quite clearly invalid. Perhaps if you used disarming words like suited, talented, capable, perhaps then readers won't assume you lack fundamental modesty.

    Would you truly have a bunch of clots leading intellectuals? No, because that is not a natural order.
    But we do have clods leading intellectuals. I'm sorry but your Conservative front bench is far from impressive, and their policies thus far, for want of a better word are just plain DUMB. Please tell me how you fill a budget gap of £2.9BN with revenues from deferred loans which in all likelihood won't every be fully repaid!

    Human beings are human, and we are all important to some degree. As an individual spark of life that makes us alive, we are equal. But in terms of who we are? Well... that is more of a divide. But that is not something humans have carried on, if we were to go back to our genetic roots, we could simply let the weak starve and die.
    Once again. Who are the weak and who are the strong?

    But we have evolved compassion beyond our immediate family, and thus do not.
    I hope you're not being serious.

    Because survival of the fittest no longer strongly applies to us, people in the UK 'live', some perhaps not well, but they live...
    Perhaps you're ill-informed. The Conservative Party mantra is the law of survival of the fittest.

    Leave to where? You forget this country was essentially formed from multitudes of hierarchical societies. IE the Romans, William the conqueror etc. If all the businessmen, all the bankers, all the people who create, what would there be left? Nothing.
    Are you suggesting that only selfish "superior" people create?

    Because not everybody has the ability to perform a task as difficult as being a doctor or a neurologist. Its a fact, accept it.
    ... And yet the human race prospered for thousands of years before the first brain surgeon placed a proud plaque on the wall of his surgery! You give far too much credit to the circumstance of vanity.

    People support welfare in some form or another, but they do not support luxuries being paid for by them.
    And what are these luxuries you refer to? Basic education? Higher Education? These are luxuries now? £30 EMAs are luxuries? Can you not see how greed and selfishness debilitates even a superior mind?

    Humans are not born innately with 'rights' either. They are once again a social construct, in a lawless free for all humanity would revert back to its primal nature.
    I'm glad you finally realize what CAUSES people to riot four times in a month.



    Everything a human does is at the expense of another. Unless we live in complete solitude from one another our actions will exercise the butterfly effect onto one another. Resource are not so finite in this country that people starve to death, the basics are provided for on pretty much all levels Why do you think somebody who has not worked a day in their lives deserves the luxuries of somebody who has?
    No one is asking you to give people your ill begotten spoils. They're asking your government to refrain from implementing cuts which deprive them of the capacity to emulate you without putting themselves into intractable amounts of debt.

    If you live your life trying to blame others, whether it be through your own fault or not, you will never improve your situation.
    Not everyone is looking to improve their situation on your terms. A lot of people just want a natural life, but can't have one because of the existence of your "superior" society.

    Like my sig says, the circumstances of ones birth are ultimately irrelevant, it is what you do with the gift of life, that determines who you are.
    Oh? And what about what other people do to one's gift of life? I hope you're not suggesting all people are equal and free to go where they will or do what they feel like.

    Truth be told your ethos is nothing more than basic greed and is both stupid and ugly for it.

    Humans, that is genuine intelligent creatures who enjoy the gift of compassion - instinctively share. If you fail to fit this criteria then please - at least have the decency to stop pretending.
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    Don't misquote me, you aussi ****.
    You retarded Prole.

    Im not aussie you thick ****.
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    (Original post by Kiwiguy)
    You retarded Prole.

    Im not aussie you thick ****.
    Lmao. Nick from the Apprentice is English too. :rolleyes:
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    Taste like crab, talk like people!
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