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    Essentially we're reaching the point where all the parts of the UK run most of their own affairs in a setup somewhat akin to Canada or the US where the provinces/states have their own particular rules and then there is a national/federal government in charge of other stuff like defence, foreign relations etc etc.

    Can't see why you couldn't do the same thing in the UK and Ireland. I've always been in favour of a united Ireland within the UK with its own assembly/parliament in Dublin (as the biggest city) along with ones in Edinburgh, Cardiff and London along with a smaller "national" parliament that takes care of the "big" items.

    Ireland as it stands is pretty much wrecked and will be a peripheral little island on the edge of the EU...and all the EU will do for the next 50 years is collect the "rent" (debt payments).

    UK and Ireland would be better off exiting and doing their own thing. They could even set up the trading rules like the Swiss, Iceland and Norway(?) do. Edit: yep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFTA
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    (Original post by technik)
    Essentially we're reaching the point where all the parts of the UK run most of their own affairs in a setup somewhat akin to Canada or the US where the provinces/states have their own particular rules and then there is a national/federal government in charge of other stuff like defence, foreign relations etc etc.

    Can't see why you couldn't do the same thing in the UK and Ireland. I've always been in favour of a united Ireland within the UK with its own assembly/parliament in Dublin (as the biggest city) along with ones in Edinburgh, Cardiff and London along with a smaller "national" parliament that takes care of the "big" items.

    Ireland as it stands is pretty much wrecked and will be a peripheral little island on the edge of the EU...and all the EU will do for the next 50 years is collect the "rent" (debt payments).

    UK and Ireland would be better off exiting and doing their own thing. They could even set up the trading rules like the Swiss, Iceland and Norway(?) do. Edit: yep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFTA

    You're forgetting the small problem of hatred and bitterness. Also, what you're proposing sounds very much like Home Rule? Which by the time it came into being had no support, and rightly so. Why would Ireland re-join the UK? What sense does that make? Aside from why would it want to..why would the UK want it to? Ireland may be ****ed but the UK is not doing swimmingly either and is no position to want to add further massive debt. Ireland has been a peripheral island for..ever. A recession does not mean it should throw away everything and join the UK. Yes the EU will collect the payments it is due, why shouldn't it? Is it not be commended in the first place for actually getting Ireland off the ground in the first place and providing this massive loan? I don't get why everyone is imagining little Utopias, where past Anglo-Irish relations and history are forgotten. Sounds great in theory, but there is no incentive for it to happen, nor is it a possibility.
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    There should be no union. The monarchy should be abolished and a Constitutional Republic put in its place.

    Republic of Ireland - remain where you are! Do not follow this gentleman into the abyss!
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    (Original post by L i b)
    It really wouldn't. The reasons behind partition were still very much alive in the 1940s.

    It was a wind up lad, tsr is easy for negs
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    There should be no union. The monarchy should be abolished and a Constitutional Republic put in its place.

    Republic of Ireland - remain where you are! Do not follow this gentleman into the abyss!
    We've gone down that 'republic' route already, and it was rubbish. The monarchy might not have a 'moral' justification to some quarters, but it does the job too damn well to let it go.
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    There will never be a reunification of Ireland. Obviously there are many people that won't accept that and will fight pointlessly for a united Ireland.

    I grew up in Northern Ireland and want all this fighting to end. It's horrible how divided Irish people are but things are improving.
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    (Original post by StarsAreFixed)
    You're forgetting the small problem of hatred and bitterness. Also, what you're proposing sounds very much like Home Rule? Which by the time it came into being had no support, and rightly so. Why would Ireland re-join the UK? What sense does that make? Aside from why would it want to..why would the UK want it to? Ireland may be ****ed but the UK is not doing swimmingly either and is no position to want to add further massive debt. Ireland has been a peripheral island for..ever. A recession does not mean it should throw away everything and join the UK. Yes the EU will collect the payments it is due, why shouldn't it? Is it not be commended in the first place for actually getting Ireland off the ground in the first place and providing this massive loan? I don't get why everyone is imagining little Utopias, where past Anglo-Irish relations and history are forgotten. Sounds great in theory, but there is no incentive for it to happen, nor is it a possibility.
    Not forgetting it at all. But in an ideal world it would be a pretty good setup i'd say.
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    (Original post by D.R.E)
    We've gone down that 'republic' route already, and it was rubbish. The monarchy might not have a 'moral' justification to some quarters, but it does the job too damn well to let it go.
    Good point. Last time Britain became a republic it didn't really turn out too well for the Irish. Or anyone else really.
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    (Original post by StarsAreFixed)
    On the other side, there is an attitude slightly reminiscent of the old 'barbarians' attitude- the Irish are seen as backwards, thick, drunk and subsisting entirely on potatoes. As well as having IRA membership.
    In my experience, that attitude is no more prevalent in the UK than the anti-British attitude amongst some charlatans and gob****es in Ireland.

    Having spent the last three years in college in the UK I can say that I have only very rarely come across genuine instances of the old 'backwards Ireland' attitude; banter is had both ways but very rarely is there any genuine ill-feeling (though I did nearly come to blows with some eejit who told me Oliver Cromwell saved Ireland in a pub a while back....).
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    (Original post by TheRevolution)
    Who also agree that we should have forced them to do it and withholded bailout money (obv the EU prevent us from doing this in reality so hypotheticallY)?
    So you'd rather not make the UK some cash if they didn't want to join?

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    (Original post by adam_zed)
    Who agrees that Normandy, Brittany, Anjou and Aquitaine should become part of the Angevin empire again?

    Who also agrees that we should have forced them to do it and witholded support during WW2 (obv the UN prevent us from doing this in reality so hypotheticallY)?

    Is it likely that our French lands coming back would be good for Btitain economically and politically?
    Just seen your excellent post. A belated congratulations to you, Sir!
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    (Original post by D.R.E)
    We've gone down that 'republic' route already, and it was rubbish. The monarchy might not have a 'moral' justification to some quarters, but it does the job too damn well to let it go.
    Maybe but funny how these "referendum on EU treaties" types never propose the chance to vote on the monarchy, isn't it?

    You don't think we can find examples of bad kings from the last 350 years?
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    (Original post by Tubby Isaacs)
    Maybe but funny how these "referendum on EU treaties" types never propose the chance to vote on the monarchy, isn't it?

    You don't think we can find examples of bad kings from the last 350 years?
    Several. But what's your point? Voting on a monarchy sort of negates the point it being called a 'monarchy'. The reason why no one is asking for a referendum on the monarchy is that over the 'last 350 years', it has developed into a role that does more or less nothing apart from balancing the constitution as head of state.

    Take that away and we have an American style presidential system, which is pretty crap to be honest.
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    Scotland should leave the UK, never mind Ireland rejoning as well... and Northern ireland should reunite with ireland. England and Wales is the only sustainable union for the future...
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    (Original post by engrishdegree)
    Scotland should leave the UK, never mind Ireland rejoning as well... and Northern ireland should reunite with ireland. England and Wales is the only sustainable union for the future...
    Welsh nationalists would disagree.
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    Ireland would rather be ''independent'' - but keep ****ing up and then getting bailed out by us. Effectively, their independence is only a word, not a state.
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      (Original post by Psyk)
      Welsh nationalists would disagree.
      You beat me to it, Psyk!
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      (Original post by D.R.E)
      Several. But what's your point? Voting on a monarchy sort of negates the point it being called a 'monarchy'. The reason why no one is asking for a referendum on the monarchy is that over the 'last 350 years', it has developed into a role that does more or less nothing apart from balancing the constitution as head of state.

      Take that away and we have an American style presidential system, which is pretty crap to be honest.
      I like the American presidential system, in some ways. There's a balance of powers that we don't have here. As you say, the monarchy doesn't do much now, but the royal powers have just gone to the prime minister and the largest party in the Commons- what Lord Hailsham called "elective dictatorship".


      A president with some powers could be part of a proper rebalancing. It would need a lot of discussion first, but I don't see anyone much in politics even ask questions about this. Including people who always talk about the Constitution with regards to the EU.
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      (Original post by TheRevolution)
      Who agrees that Ireland should become part of the kingdon again?

      Who also agree that we should have forced them to do it and withholded bailout money (obv the EU prevent us from doing this in reality so hypotheticallY)?

      Is it likely that Irlenad coming back would be good for Btitain economically and politically?
      Very unlikely, because it is 100% Republican.
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      (Original post by Psyk)
      Welsh nationalists would disagree.
      theres no point in wales being a sovereign state
     
     
     
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