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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    Explain how bullying can ever be shown to be directly caused by same sex couples adopting.
    How we can tell if a child would be bullied anyway etc.
    Because if you want that to be part of your argument you have to show how it can be seen.
    Likewise, would you like to show me how same sex couples adopting couldn't possibly directly be the cause of bullying?

    But we do know for a fact that there is a lot of prejudice surrounding homosexuality, I don't need to find any evidence to support that statement. To prove or disprove your sentence in bold we would effectively be using children as guinea pigs. I wasn't providing a factual argument in any sense.
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    (Original post by anti-duck)
    Likewise, would you like to show me how same sex couples adopting couldn't possibly directly be the cause of bullying?

    But we do know for a fact that there is a lot of prejudice surrounding homosexuality, I don't need to find any evidence to support that statement. To prove or disprove your sentence in bold we would effectively be using children as guinea pigs. I wasn't providing a factual argument in any sense.
    I'm not using that as part of my argument, you are.
    I'm explaining that you can't claim that kids are bullied as a result of homosexuality, and until you can show that it is the cause of bullying, not just something the kids that would be bullied about otherwise, are being bullied over, as coincidental material, that claim is baseless.
    There is no way to tell whether the bullying stems from that, or if it is being used as material where other material may be used if that material were not present.

    So again, it would be reckless to use that as an argument against same sex couples taking children in.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    I'm not using that as part of my argument, you are.
    I'm explaining that you can't claim that kids are bullied as a result of homosexuality, and until you can show that it is the cause of bullying, not just something the kids that would be bullied about otherwise, are being bullied over, as coincidental material, that claim is baseless.
    There is no way to tell whether the bullying stems from that, or if it is being used as material where other material may be used if that material were not present.

    So again, it would be reckless to use that as an argument against same sex couples taking children in.
    My argument is simply an opinion, a counter-opinion to your opinion that -

    (Original post by there's too much love)
    It's never a direct cause
    We could go round countering each other for ever here. Everything you just presented could be flipped starting with "I'm explaining that you can't claim that kids aren't bullied as a result of homosexuality".
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    (Original post by misscharli)
    I would love to have 2 gay dads
    In place of your mother? How mean! Unless you were thinking of your mother, father, and a third man?
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    It may to begin with but is that really inescapable once you analysis it? Can you really not bring it into everyday life?
    Just because there aren't everyday words and concepts for this kind of thing could there not be one within a group of friends? Those categorisations then could take over how you determine each others identity, no?
    Our everyday life is underlined by these concepts. Even if you were in a group of friends that were totally queer or something, gender would still be at the root of things. You wouldn't even be able to talk to someone without referring to them as a he, or a she, or gay or straight or whatever. Who you're attracted to in your group of friends would be determined by your gender. The names you call each other are gendered, as is the way you dress. And even if you tried your hardest to disregard gender- by replacing 'he' or 'she' with a unisex word, by wearing unisex clothes, by all being pansexual- the fact that you're trying so hard to disregard it means that you're still holding it at the centre of what you do.
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    (Original post by anti-duck)
    My argument is simply an opinion, a counter-opinion to your opinion that -



    We could go round countering each other for ever here. Everything you just presented could be flipped starting with "I'm explaining that you can't claim that kids aren't bullied as a result of homosexuality".
    Burden of proof is on you, bro. I might as well say 'you can't prove that having long fingernails isn't a cause of bullying' or something.
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    By the way, it should be pointed out (for the sake of the debate going on up above) that at my school there were two kids who had lesbian or gay parents. One of them got mild bullying for it (It wasn't really serious, just somebody shouting out "OI AV' U GOT TWO DADS??"), however he was bullied before that for virtually everything, so the bullying didn't start because of his parents. The other one however, never got bullied once for it, despite the fact it was common knowledge that his parents were lesbian.

    It basically goes to show that it's not gay parents which cause bullying, but they can add to the bullying of those who are already bullied (If that makes any sense whatsoever). Now, I know it's only one example and you can't generalize at all (However it was at an all boys state school where, if homophobic bullying is going to develop anywhere, it's there), but it does go some way to prove that having gay parents doesn't necessarily cause bullying.
 
 
 
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