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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's a shame, because as I said, it effectively shuts down TSR as a gathering point for students to discuss their concerns about this government's policies and their sustained attacks on the poor, the disabled and working people. This is clearly the aim of the said group of posters, they intend to make the UK political forum unusable. Judging from a number of comments, people agree that this is putting them off coming here and joining discussions.
    Why do you believe that the UKIP supporters have an agenda to render this subforum unusable? I admit that UKIP supporters are more fervent than the supporters of Labour/Conservatives/Liberal Democrats, but this shouldn't mean that they shouldn't be prohibited from posting. You can refute the arguments and criticise the policies of UKIP if you wish to do so. Why should you remove the right of UKIP supporters to do exactly that?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I didn't say the sentence you place in quotation marks, nor did I suggest that we silence them.

    I suggested we should discuss if this is what we want these forums to be, dominated by the same few very far-right wing posters, doing the same thing every day, reposting hundreds of threads with variants of the exact same few far-right themes. It appears that most people agree with me that this shouldn't be the case. The issue of how to stop it revolves around the nature of these posters. There is a discussion that as they clearly represent Ukip and the EDL/BNP, then that should be thought about in terms of them completely taking over the forum.
    You sound so paranoid. Do you honestly think that there is some sort of conspiracy theory here? Wherein all the right wing posters have secretly got together and decided to, as a group, take over the discussion section so that a minutely small proportion of the UK's population can no longer discuss the politics concerning their country in a section that used to be a safe haven for Socialists? I am beginning to not only question your original aims for this topic, which by the way were clearly to seek answers on how best to silence these right wingers, but your mental state of mind if you believe such things.

    I think it is fair to say that the majority of the posters on here are centre-left and it will probably always stay that way as this is a forum for students.

    Besides, as another poster has said before me, you are probably one of the most partisan posters on TSR. The time of me taking your opinion as fair and open minded went the moment you claimed Osbourne hates disabled people because he parked in that parking spot.

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    effectively shuts down TSR as a gathering point for students to discuss their concerns about this government's policies and their sustained attacks on the poor, the disabled and working people. This is clearly the aim of the said group of posters, they intend to make the UK political forum unusable.
    Are you saying that students can't be UKIP supporters?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    They repeatedly raise immigration as their main issue, they incorporate many well-known racist themes into their platforms and several of their leading members/MEPs have form as racists. If it looks like one, smells like one and tastes like one, it is one. This latest seal of approval by EDL just puts the final stamp on it.
    Talking about immigration isn't racist. What is preventing you from understanding something so simple?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Well personally as great as the mods are i do wonder if rather than having lots of repetitive threads about the same thing, can we not have 1 big bash the EU and stop immigration thread, let them go wild in there. We could also equally have a giant Thatcher hate thread and a giant New Labour ruined the country thread and then just pin them. Even right now i see no less than 4 immigration threads and a couple of welfare threads and i personally consider what i see tonight quite diversified compared to normal.

    That's probably not the best idea actually but i guess i'm just tired of reading the same statement, insults and answers over and over.
    They do this in other forums across TSR for certain issues, even in D&CA - International has the Israel vs Palestine thread stickied, Religion has Does God Exist stickied and they move relevant threads into it and seems to work quite well. I think for Immigration, Welfare and Europe they'd be useful. Of course this doesn't solve the N&CA problem which is just as bad.

    I have little problem with right wing lunatics posting just a giant problem with the same threads being created day in day out.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    This is now such a regular pattern that the UK politics forum appears to be almost dead in the water - most posters are bogged down arguing with people who appear to be wholly committed to the EDL/BNP/Ukip lines. So much so, that we must ask the question - are these organisations seeking to control debate on TSR? Is TSR willing to allow this to continue? Is it what we really want?
    :rolleyes: Bull****. Unless you can really show it. People get bogged down arguing with certain ways with certain people because that's how TSR is and that's how the interwebz is.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    :rolleyes: Bull****. Unless you can really show it. People get bogged down arguing with certain ways with certain people because that's how TSR is and that's how the interwebz is.
    I'm really trying to address the creation of a daily tidal wave of basically identical new threads by the same half-dozen posters, not to mention encouraging these idiots by responding to them in those threads.
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    (Original post by n00)
    :rofl:
    Wow if I were the paranoid type I might take that as a potential threat. Fortunately, paranoid or not i don't think theres too much cause for concern. Who are we slandering? A few aliases on a student room or is it right-wing factions?

    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It pretty clearly was a threat.
    What a ridiculous angle to take. If you want to tarnish someone's reputation by willfully spreading lies about them then go ahead, but I suspect the mods would take a dim view of that sort of activity, not least because you can be taken to court for online defamation. That's not a threat btw it's a verifiable fact.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    What a ridiculous angle to take. If you want to tarnish someone's reputation by willfully spreading lies about them then go ahead, but I suspect the mods would take a dim view of that sort of activity, not least because you can be taken to court for online defamation. That's not a threat btw it's a verifiable fact.
    Repeating your legal threat are you?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I'm really trying to address the creation of a daily tidal wave of basically identical new threads by the same half-dozen posters, not to mention encouraging these idiots by responding to them in those threads.
    They probably aren't trying to "seeking to control debate on TSR" more likely they are just spamming or trolling or WUM'ing to poke and prod people to get a reaction, to bait people.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    All I'm saying is that if you're going to discredit someone and trash their reputation by calling them a 'shill' etc then you better have some pretty strong evidence to back up your claims, otherwise what you're engaging in is slander. A prosecutable offence. Disliking someone and disagreeing with their political views -for me- doesn't really count as tangible evidence. It has to be a bit more conclusive than that.
    I think that calling it slander is a stretch. Also it would be libel not slander. Slander is spoken. At least if it's talk done on here.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Repeating your legal threat are you?
    Haha. Nice try but I don't think anyone's buying into your victim act. Anyway, such a statement would only threaten you if you were thinking about spreading lies, which of course you're not so you have nothing to fear. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by pane123)
    I have a serious problem with people studying Politics.

    In the past, people would move into Government after amassing a wealth of work and life experience. Nowadays it seems anyone can study Politics at university and is deemed capable of working in Government.

    It's absurd.

    I was speaking to a final year Politics student about the SNP and Scottish independence, and his opinion was that, "it can't get any worse, so let's give it (independence) a try".

    That's genuinely scary. What, if anything, has he been taught?
    To be honest, I completely understand that sort of resigned cynicism from somebody who's spent three years studying politics.
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    (Original post by pane123)
    What are these "far-right themes"? I assume you mean things like immigration.

    I hate to break it to you, but this country is in a bit of a mess. Something has gone wrong and folk like you aren't going to fix it.

    Most views you would brand "far-right" are probably far more realistic than any views you hold.
    More market-driven migration is a right-wing policy actually.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    I think that calling it slander is a stretch. Also it would be libel not slander. Slander is spoken. At least if it's talk done on here.
    Point taken. But I don't see the need to play dirty when where's a perfectly valid alternative available, i.e good old fashioned political debate. And if you don't like that sort of thing then perhaps the Politics section of TSR isn't for you. Simple.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    More market-driven migration is a right-wing policy actually.
    Surely market-driven migration is influenced more by the laws of economics than political policy.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Anyway, such a statement would only threaten you if you were thinking about spreading lies, which of course you're not so you have nothing to fear. :rolleyes:
    So you were just posting totally irrelevant information?

    (Original post by chefdave)
    Point taken. But I don't see the need to play dirty when where's a perfectly valid alternative available, i.e good old fashioned political debate. And if you don't like that sort of thing then perhaps the Politics section of TSR isn't for you. Simple.
    Whats dirty about this thread? Seems just as much good old fashioned political debate as anything else on here. Given up on the free speech angle?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    To be honest, I completely understand that sort of resigned cynicism from somebody who's spent three years studying politics.
    I haven't even started my first year yet and I think I'm reaching that point. :sigh:
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I didn't say the sentence you place in quotation marks, nor did I suggest that we silence them.

    I suggested we should discuss if this is what we want these forums to be, dominated by the same few very far-right wing posters, doing the same thing every day, reposting hundreds of threads with variants of the exact same few far-right themes. It appears that most people agree with me that this shouldn't be the case. The issue of how to stop it revolves around the nature of these posters. There is a discussion that as they clearly represent Ukip and the EDL/BNP, then that should be thought about in terms of them completely taking over the forum.
    This is Orwellian newspeak.

    People respond to these threads, and I assume its not just 'far right' posters congratulating each other on having taken over tsr.com. I think the real issue is that you find non left wing uncomfortable and would prefer to have your own opinions validated through the absence of dissent. Don't worry, when you go to work for the Guardian you'll find a nice group-think environment where you don't have to worry those nasty evil rightwingers....
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    (Original post by pane123)
    Surely market-driven migration is influenced more by the laws of economics than political policy.
    True - but you can nationalize companies/industries to protect local workers from foreign competition and to prevent offshoring of jobs (a left-wing policy).
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Point taken. But I don't see the need to play dirty when where's a perfectly valid alternative available, i.e good old fashioned political debate. And if you don't like that sort of thing then perhaps the Politics section of TSR isn't for you. Simple.
    The only one who seems to be wanting to 'play dirty' so far is (predictably) you - everyone else is engaging in vigorous debate, it's you who started making threats.
 
 
 
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