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    Before i started my degree program (some time ago), i found and interviewed 5 real engineers - asking them things like 1) how much do you make, 2)where do you see yourself in 5 yrs, 10 yrs, 3) what would you have done differently in your education - if you had it to do over, 4) do you think your career choice will "outlive" you - i.e. will you have a job in it available as long as you want it? I took notes and read over their answers for some time - this was whilst i was still at school - hadn't started uni yet. Now, some years later - i think this was time well spent. Cheers.
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    That's ridiculous. There are god knows how many photographers out there with excellent references, outstanding portfolios and a wealth of experience. Degrees are not mandatory and it is totally possible to find your own work and build up experience, potentially leading to employment with a bigger company, if that's what desired.
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    (Original post by firetigertron)
    I am salaried £30K I get paid overtime at £15 an hour, I got a 2.5K bonus at the beginning and I will get a year of end bonus (prob around 3K)and if i go offshore i get paid extra on top of that..... i hope to earn 40K this year.
    I call BS. You work in Oil and Gas so what? I'm on a grad scheme and I'd never post my earnings, why would you? The only grads who earn that much on a grad scheme are those in Investment banking or a finance related role, in the City, and they pretty much live at work. Stop dreaming and carry on studying for your degree.
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    (Original post by kratos90)
    You said you were hoping to get paid 36K in the first when you grad and then here you say you're on a salary. I call BS. You work in Oil and Gas so what? I'm on a grad scheme and I'd never post my earnings, why would you? The only grads who earn that much on a grad scheme are those in Investment banking or a finance related role, in the City, and they pretty much live at work. Stop dreaming and carry on studying for your degree.
    Why wouldn't I post what I earn?

    oil and gas pays crazy money... we get a lot more than finance hour for hour.

    It's not my fault you never heard of oil and gas pay packets.

    You butt hurt by my earnings?

    http://www.eon-uk.com/careers/1836.aspx

    not my grad scheme, but simialar.
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    (Original post by firetigertron)
    yeh a few months in. Although I am thinkign about switchign to another O&G job.
    O&G pays well.

    Just met up with a mate of mine who's been offshore with his good degree from a good university with ten years experience in the industry. He's just been made redundant. It's experience that counts so you'll be going against guys like him. (. 10 years experience versus your zero)

    But then again you'll find that out when/if you start working. I didn't go down the offshore route. I tried, but even though my Uni had very strong links to the O&G industry the arse fell out of it at the time. I chose another route.

    Piece of advice though. Don't start bragging about how much money you think you could potentially earn. Wait until you get your first pay packet. At the moment your not earning.
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    (Original post by kratos90)
    I call BS. You work in Oil and Gas so what? I'm on a grad scheme and I'd never post my earnings, why would you? The only grads who earn that much on a grad scheme are those in Investment banking or a finance related role, in the City, and they pretty much live at work. Stop dreaming and carry on studying for your degree.
    He doesn't work in oil and gas. He wants to work in it. No job yet.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    O&G pays well.

    Just met up with a mate of mine who's been offshore with his good degree from a good university with ten years experience in the industry. He's just been made redundant. It's experience that counts so you'll be going against guys like him. (. 10 years experience versus your zero)

    But then again you'll find that out when/if you start working. I didn't go down the offshore route. I tried, but even though my Uni had very strong links to the O&G industry the arse fell out of it at the time. I chose another route.

    Piece of advice though. Don't start bragging about how much money you think you could potentially earn. Wait until you get your first pay packet. At the moment your not earning.

    Why are you udner the impression I don't have a job. I have already started on the grad scheme.

    I do not worry about your friend; oil and gas is a growing industry and there are many roles I am sure he knows very little about my speciality (or to become my speciality).


    Once you're in and got experience you will never be unemployed again. Unless you want too.


    I have had my first bonus and a few pay packets.
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    (Original post by firetigertron)
    Why are you udner the impression I don't have a job. I have already started on the grad scheme.

    I do not worry about your friend; oil and gas is a growing industry and there are many roles I am sure he knows very little about my speciality (or to become my speciality).


    Once you're in and got experience you will never be unemployed again. Unless you want too.


    I have had my first bonus and a few pay packets.
    Now I call BS.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Now I call BS.

    I'm kicking so much ass; chumps on the internet don't even believe it ha.
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    (Original post by firetigertron)
    I'm kicking so much ass; chumps on the internet don't even believe it ha.
    Theres this wonderful source of information called the Internet where its possible to do searches for things like O&G graduate training programme salaries.

    Chump.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Theres this wonderful source of information called the Internet where its possible to do searches for things like O&G graduate training programme salaries.

    Chump.

    http://www.eon-uk.com/careers/1836.aspx
    http://www.exxonmobil.co.uk/UK-Engli..._benefits.aspx
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki...rs_Guides_-_BP

    really?
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    (Original post by shorty.loves.angels)
    That's ridiculous. There are god knows how many photographers out there with excellent references, outstanding portfolios and a wealth of experience. Degrees are not mandatory and it is totally possible to find your own work and build up experience, potentially leading to employment with a bigger company, if that's what desired.
    I agree. People forget that especially for creative degrees, it's only through university that you will have access to all the facilities, equipment and contacts that you need without coming from a well off/well connected background. The problem with these degrees and the reason why a lot of people aren't able to benefit from them isn't that they're 'rubbish' or worthless. It is that unlike law or a science where you do research and learn the necessary facts etc. to become good in your field, creative fields require talent which is actually much rarer and harder to come by than general intelligence. You can't just work really hard and expect to get somewhere, you have to be born with a natural flair. Unfortunately this is not something a lot of candidates even think about let alone be honest to themselves about, hence you get the problem where they can't find work. Even then, these sorts of industries are dominated by a culture of connections; 9 times out of 10 the people who get to the top will know someone so even talented people get by-passed.
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    (Original post by firetigertron)
    Why wouldn't I post what I earn?

    oil and gas pays crazy money... we get a lot more than finance hour for hour.

    It's not my fault you never heard of oil and gas pay packets.

    You butt hurt by my earnings?

    http://www.eon-uk.com/careers/1836.aspx

    not my grad scheme, but simialar.
    You don't have a Masters. That is still not more than Finance in the City. Just so you know I'm on a grad scheme in the procurement service in the City of London. I have colleagues who specialise in providing procurement for OiI and Gas companies worldwide, so I know quite a lot about the industries. You don't earn that. Nowhere near that. You wouldn't be writing like you do on here if you did, you would either be working hard to earn your money or enjoying what you've earnt. Not coming online to brag to people you don't know about what you earn. That would be beyond weird.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    He doesn't work in oil and gas. He wants to work in it. No job yet.
    I think he just read something about Roman Abramovich working in oil and he thinks 'he's a billionaire so it must be the thing to work in'. He says it like he is one of the only people to do it, when there are what tens of thousands of jobs in the industry worldwide? I agree, he sounds like a dreamer.
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    (Original post by kratos90)
    I think he just read something about Roman Abramovich working in oil and he thinks 'he's a billionaire so it must be the thing to work in'. He says it like he is one of the only people to do it, when there are what tens of thousands of jobs in the industry worldwide? I agree, he sounds like a dreamer.
    Quite possibly. I was surprised to see the link he showed me for starting salaries..... But after a bit of digging they seem to be the exception rather than the rule

    I think what have it away though is the calibre of those selected tend to be of the kind of people who don't go on a website and start bragging.
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    (Original post by Mr_Vain)
    I had a choice, work in the family business (and open my own in the process, which I am doing now) and earn more. Or work for one of those corporates with annoying people like students and earn less income. I went through a bad stage of not having any money when I was starting my business, it was very tough, but now my forecast look good.

    Unless I got into the magic circle/front office investment banking, which i wouldn't because i have not got the networks or the grades, i was not happy with the promotion aspects of every company going more or less. I would never be happy being a salaryman.

    I was stupid though, you're right, there's no doubt about that. I was stupid for wanting to prove myself by going to university when it is all pointless unless you want a top paying job. It is a financial investment at the end of the day. I had a business earning me a graduate salary at 19 before I went to university, it was online, I had to sell it off. I really think it could have grew to far more than it has become. I did so because I wanted to prove that I am academic enough, granted, I got good grades, just below a first. But was it worth it? No. I thoroughly hated academics. I hated the talks by firms, I hated the whole rank and file corporate culture and subservience, I like control even if it means possibly failing. I tried applying, i did not put much effort into it, i couldn't answer the 'why this firm and career?' questions because quite honestly i just didn't care. I couldn't actually specify why, i hated what they were offering. I hated the fact that i would be a serf living in London, a debt serf and a landlord's subject.

    It is not about the job for me, I hate people who say "Oh i do it because I want to enjoy my job and like the long term career projections of the firm". That is bull, for me, a job is about adding as many zeros to the bank balance as possible, **** the pretense.
    I agree with you. I think one should try to do something they have an interest in and want to do, not just for money. This guy is one of my inspirations:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman

    He turned down a million dollars because he liked maths, not money.
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    (Original post by elohssa)
    I agree with you. I think one should try to do something they have an interest in and want to do, not just for money. This guy is one of my inspirations:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman

    He turned down a million dollars because he liked maths, not money.
    "Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see." - Arthur Schopenhauer
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Quite possibly. I was surprised to see the link he showed me for starting salaries..... But after a bit of digging they seem to be the exception rather than the rule

    I think what have it away though is the calibre of those selected tend to be of the kind of people who don't go on a website and start bragging.
    Well that job in the link he gave required a Masters and from what I gathered, he doesn't have a Masters; he might not even have a degree yet!

    Why would you be looking at grad schemes for other oil companies when you're already on one? My gut instinct is that he's still at uni, started applying for some jobs and might even have a telephone interview or something for a grad scheme.
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    (Original post by kratos90)
    Well that job in the link he gave required a Masters and from what I gathered, he doesn't have a Masters; he might not even have a degree yet!

    Why would you be looking at grad schemes for other oil companies when you're already on one? My gut instinct is that he's still at uni, started applying for some jobs and might even have a telephone interview or something for a grad scheme.
    Thats what I was thinking.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Theres this wonderful source of information called the Internet where its possible to do searches for things like O&G graduate training programme salaries.

    Chump.
    I've run out of upvotes for today so kudos to you sir, that made me chuckle rather a lot.

    (Original post by Mr_Vain)
    "Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see." - Arthur Schopenhauer
    That quote is beautiful. But again - no more upvotes, sadly.
 
 
 
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