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    (Original post by spookz)
    The removal of January exams by Micheal Gove was the tipping point
    Speaking as someone who did January exams for my AS's last year, but didn't have them for my A2's this year, I think removing them was the right thing to do. It meant we spent less time doing and slugging for exams, and more time actually learning.


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    (Original post by MathMeister)
    The viewpoint is there, but the education is certainly not. Why do you think there are many ads on TV to stop people doing things (i.e smoking) - because they work. Education works.
    And there is extremely hard solid scientific evidence porn, video game addiction, smoking, excessive eating all cause Hypofrontality and Desensitization. And that exersize and meditation reverse these by increasing dopamine and dopamine receptors. You are incredibly ignorant. A neuroscience perspective on academic achievement I thought was original and many people ignore the Hypofrontality- not helped by the fact their is no education on it. You're jut as obnoxious and ignorant as somebody who claims cancer and depression does not exist.
    Why are you ignoring that there is education on these issues? My year group went on a one month government funded programme trying to educate us about these issues.

    Do you not even consider the possibility that people know that smoking is harmful to their bodies even before they start (as some of my friends did) yet they do it anyway?

    There are many adverts on TV to encourage people to stop smoking because a company wants those individuals to use and pay for their services.

    I did not claim cancer and depression did not exist. You obviously could not critically analyse what I had said so you resorted to putting words in my mouth and insulting me.
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    (Original post by theike)
    So they went and spent spent spent and borrowed borrowed borrowed and ruined the economy. If funding the state sector meant ruining the economy, then I would rather them not do that.

    You do not like the results of the Labour education system so now you are making out that the stories are distorted. I used to live in Labour run Wales and the education there was notably worse to where I am now, It took me a long time to improve. What some people fail to realise is spending so much money on education does not mean academic performance will improve. The best way to improve academic performance is having a strong work ethic which is best gained from one's parents.
    It's too easy to blame it on one party and I'm not really blaming it on current parties at all (although I do think the decline started under Thatcher) - the situation in Wales is complicated, but like other poorer areas of Britain, the position for state school students has made a turn for the worse. Most indicators definitely were improving though under the last Labour governments, purely because they increased spending.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Certainly, his efficiency is something to be commended.

    However, I would like to use one example. Last year, Michael Gove revised the national Geography curriculum, failing to release it until one month before the term started. If he had adequate knowledge on the kind of preparation needed for teachers, this decision might not have been so reckless. It is customary for a two-year notice to be given so that these preparations can be made and can be accommodated for by schools. It causes severe management issues (I can speak personally from experience) and is extremely inconvenient.

    Implementing reforms in the middle of the year is absurd as far as anybody experienced in education is concerned.
    That is true, the ideal goal would be for Gove to implement the changes without disruption to teaching and the education of a year group. In hindsight, perhaps he could have announced that particular revision to come into effect later.
    I fear, however, that the teaching unions could have exerted their extreme power, especially if a Labour government comes into power next year, to reverse some of the changes. As it stands, Gove has at the very least stamped down some reforms essentially irreversibly.
    Education is a tricky subject, since you have to disrupt the system to improve it, but by doing this, you are potentially affecting the learning of thousands of people.
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    (Original post by theike)
    Why are you ignoring that there is education on these issues? My year group went on a one month government funded programme trying to educate us about these issues.

    Do you not even consider the possibility that people know that smoking is harmful to their bodies even before they start (as some of my friends did) yet they do it anyway?

    There are many adverts on TV to encourage people to stop smoking because a company wants those individuals to use and pay for their services.

    I did not claim cancer and depression did not exist. You obviously could not critically analyse what I had said so you resorted to putting words in my mouth and insulting me.
    Well I have had 0 education whatsoever. What people should be taught is the dangers in normal PSE/ PSHE lessons. That's not hard to do. And it's therefore they can do things knowledgeable of the outcomes. It will deter many people. You're ignorant.
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    It's too easy to blame it on one party and I'm not really blaming it on current parties at all (although I do think the decline started under Thatcher) - the situation in Wales is complicated, but like other poorer areas of Britain, the position for state school students has made a turn for the worse. Most indicators definitely were improving though under the last Labour governments, purely because they increased spending.
    Increasing spending makes individuals much more reliant on someone providing everything for them and them losing a strong work ethic. How was there improvement when we are performing badly academically after the Labour implemented system than we did before. I can see it from experience, too many people do not know how to do the simple things, like tell the time.

    How is it that countries that are spending less money on their education are outperforming us?

    And how does increasing spending even more improve exam results? Should we just keep increasing spending on education forever? What truly improves exam results is the individual actually revising motivated by their strong work ethic because government spending cannot force someone to revise at home.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's too easy to blame it on one party and I'm not really blaming it on current parties at all (although I do think the decline started under Thatcher) - the situation in Wales is complicated, but like other poorer areas of Britain, the position for state school students has made a turn for the worse. Most indicators definitely were improving though under the last Labour governments, purely because they increased spending.
    How much of this increase in spending went into boosting teachers' salaries though? Had a quick look to see if I could find any data on it, but no luck


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    (Original post by MathMeister)
    Well I have had 0 education whatsoever. What people should be taught is the dangers in normal PSE/ PSHE lessons. That's not hard to do. And it's therefore they can do things knowledgeable of the outcomes. It will deter many people. You're ignorant.
    You're the exception rather than the rule then, and it's your school that's to blame rather than the government. Almost everyone I know had extensive education on these things in PSE, with the exception of porn.

    (Original post by MathMeister)
    Not at all. It was a very brief factual statement. I do understand a lot. I'm merely making it understandable. There is in fact, so much more to addiction and rewiring, you don't even know it.
    Thank you for making the information more digestible for me - how was I supposed to know that someone with the username Mathmeister would also be an expert in neuroscience :rolleyes:



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    (Original post by ChemistBoy)
    The strike was about pay and conditions, not about anything else and was the culmination of a 2 year long dispute extending beyond just teachers. Attempting to recast the strike to be about the quality of education in schools is disingenuous.

    Also, you are wrong about there being no strikes for teachers during the previous Labour government. There was a strike under Gordon Brown's premiership, the first in 21 years (yes do the maths, that takes us well into the conservative period of the 90's).

    Of course it is a lot easier to construct a story off the top of your head to fit your ideological viewpoint rather than actually look at the facts.
    Don't displace your method of arguing onto me to fit your ideological viewpoint.

    You would think they would have had more than one strike under Brown 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 for spending and borrowing so much money which is why there is a freeze on public sector wages today.
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    (Original post by MathMeister)
    Well I have had 0 education whatsoever. What people should be taught is the dangers in normal PSE/ PSHE lessons. That's not hard to do. And it's therefore they can do things knowledgeable of the outcomes. It will deter many people. You're ignorant.
    You have 0 education yet you started a debate on the subject? So I suppose worse case scenario, if people do not learn about it in school, they learn about it somewhere else.

    In those lessons I was taught about changes to our body as we grow from year 5 onwards, healthy eating, safe sex, etc.

    Maybe your school failed you on this, but not the state.

    Keep calling me ignorant, it makes you smarter.
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    (Original post by MrSupernova)
    Speaking as someone who did January exams for my AS's last year, but didn't have them for my A2's this year, I think removing them was the right thing to do. It meant we spent less time doing and slugging for exams, and more time actually learning.


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    Some people find Jan exams really helpful if they are ready for them. Many people get their 'A's under their belt, not having to load more info through into following months.
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    (Original post by MrSupernova)
    You're the exception rather than the rule then, and it's your school that's to blame rather than the government. Almost everyone I know had extensive education on these things in PSE, with the exception of porn.


    Thank you for making the information more digestible for me - how was I supposed to know that someone with the username Mathmeister would also be an expert in neuroscience :rolleyes:



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    Well, people are full of surprises. And I have many huge books on the subjects.
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    (Original post by theike)
    The Labour education system had failed us. So many people in my college could not even tell the time.
    I think this is more due to cadre promotion than anything Labour did. That is, in a sane educational system whose purpose was to impart knowledge, you would move up to the next class after you had mastered the material of the previous class, rather than because you are now one year older.

    The comprehensive state education system can only really be understood as a indoctrination tool.
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    Gove, Gove...Gone! Is my favourite headline of the past year. Well done, Guardian.
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    (Original post by theike)
    Don't displace your method of arguing onto me to fit your ideological viewpoint.
    Which is?

    You would think they would have had more than one strike under Brown 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 for spending and borrowing so much money which is why there is a freeze on public sector wages today.
    Moving the goal posts because I pointed out you were wrong? How predictable.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's too easy to blame it on one party and I'm not really blaming it on current parties at all (although I do think the decline started under Thatcher) - the situation in Wales is complicated, but like other poorer areas of Britain, the position for state school students has made a turn for the worse. Most indicators definitely were improving though under the last Labour governments, purely because they increased spending.
    So the Labour-PC Welsh government is responsible for education in Wales but the decline in performance of Welsh schools is the responsibility of the Con-LD UK government?

    Are Cameron and Clegg also responsible for the Moscow Metro crash?
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    So the Labour-PC Welsh government is responsible for education in Wales but the decline in performance of Welsh schools is the responsibility of the Con-LD UK government?

    Are Cameron and Clegg also responsible for the Moscow Metro crash?
    I was (attempting) a serious point, that most of the trends are long term and that there is unlikely to be that much difference between deprived areas of S. Wales (as that's really what we're talking about) and deprived areas in other parts of the UK. I was suggesting that the current or recent politicians staffing the senior jobs are unlikely to be having much effect, unless they make drastic changes. I am also pointing out that education spending declined as a percentage of national income severely from 1979 as a result of Tory policies, which is a valid assertion. More recently it is also true that Labour attempted to reverse that trend.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I was (attempting) a serious point, that most of the trends are long term and that there is unlikely to be that much difference between deprived areas of S. Wales (as that's really what we're talking about) and deprived areas in other parts of the UK. I was suggesting that the current or recent politicians staffing the senior jobs are unlikely to be having much effect, unless they make drastic changes. I am also pointing out that education spending declined as a percentage of national income severely from 1979 as a result of Tory policies, which is a valid assertion. More recently it is also true that Labour attempted to reverse that trend.
    However a divergence seems to have developed in recent years between English and Welsh educational attainment that seems not to relate to socio-economic factors but to government policy.
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    Which is?



    Moving the goal posts because I pointed out you were wrong? How predictable.
    You pointed out that Unions are greedy capitalists who will strike heavily during Tory government periods to increase the amount of money they get. You pointed out that unions did strike under brown because the greedy capitalists wanted more money. I then pointed out that although they did strike under brown once because they want more money, if they want to have a more logical position, they would have done most of their striking under 06,07,08,09 because the fact that their wages are frozen is because of the mess of the labour government. You decided to stretch it back to the thatcher years because...


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    So you remove someone you feel is inadequate for the role and then hire someone new who has zero experience. Right...
 
 
 
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