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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    It's interesting, because it's only a specific minority that I ever hear saying they feel oppressed by 'political correctness'.

    Actually, it's only a specific minority that ever uses the term 'political correctness'.

    What exactly is political correctness, in your opinion?
    See my thread entitled cultural Marxism. Political correctness is when schools say that they are enforcing higher standard when in reality they are enforcing double standards. E.g. golden Dawn is bad but African National Congress is good, gay priests are good for Christianity but gay Imams are not good for Islam, and gay Rabbis are not good for Judaism, only whites can be racist, only men can be sexist, a gay is right if in dispute with a Christian but an Islamic is right in the same dispute, Germany had no historic rights to the territories where it's people still lived from 20 years back in 1939 but Israel has a mythical history right to land from 2,000 years back, mass immigration is good for Britain but not Israel etc etc.

    Political correctness is a lot of nonsense arguments to use a kind of structure to get someone's agenda past a body of people.

    It was invented in Stalinist Russia as a form of political control.
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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    You aren't the poster I was speaking to, but I will oblige you with a response.

    Be more specific. You sound like a cultural Marxist yourself, using a sweeping theory illustrated by examples from all over the world. Fill in the gaps, don't be scared. What does political correctness mean for you, whoever you are, wherever in the world you live. ' A kind of structure', 'someone' 'agenda' 'a body of people'? And why does it make you so angry. Because if you don't mind me saying, you sound furious.
    I think I have described it well enough.

    Do you have an agenda?

    dishonesty and double standards make me furious.



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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    Right, so you interrupt a conversation with a vague, wishy washy soliloquy against 'political correctness' and then refuse to explain your feelings or beliefs.

    I suppose that marks the end of our 'conversation' then.
    Political correctness is literally a form of oppressive censorship. What self appointed censors like yourself do (either consciously or unconsciously) is use a form of "entrapment". You want to get someone arguing against the construct that is considered overtly censored so that you can then get the person discredited, banned, taken away by the secret police etc. for stating the truth.




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    So his thread's been bumped again

    The problem is that feminism is flawed, and biased against men by definition, which true egalitarians object to, but because of the general intellectual and emotional maturity level of this website, we only have immature misogynist trolls (or worse Redpillers) to counter the points most days-and occasionally some well-learned MRAs

    In the general public and professional sphere, especially outside of university or academic grounds (e.g. the workplace) not everyone understands the difference between objections to Western feminism and misogyny; if you protest feminism but you might as well hold a sign saying 'I like to rape women'. Therefore there is a culture of silence equal to that surrounding misogyny and oppression, except it's PC to be pro-feminist (even misandrist, belittling men, 'check your privilege etc.) it's not PC to speak for the other side.

    Ergo it's safer here, it's a shame it always disintegrates into misogyny though
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    The problem with political correctness is that it's politically biased, you say whatever makes the government and nation appear cosmopolitan and progressive regardless of the many layers of truth, ergo it compartmentalises and generalises bid default. Not that I dislike cosmopolitanism, at all-but it is always worth seeing the many side to the story. In the case of feminism in the UK and USA there is the 'but what about men?' side, as well as further research into the LGBT community, transphobia etc., yet to truly come, but the most PC aspect is not egalitarianism, it is women's rights (which do still need work on as well)

    As mentioned above it is censorship
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Why is males being vocal supposed to be a bad thing?
    because political correctness on feminism=censorship of men

    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    Aside from this thread being subsumed by the exact posters OP intimated, who tend to dominate discussions all over TSR, it also reveals other things which may explain why this happens.

    Said posters are clearly narcissistic, but this mind-set is reinforced by their interactions with other people. Critical thinkers, women, ethnic minorities, sexual minorities, people that cut across more than one of these social categories, and open-minded people across the board might interject, in the form of posts, threads, and discussions, but the fact remains that on this forum and irl, selfish, egotistical behaviour and an unflinching belief in a particular thought system (Science, political theory, economics) pays and is rewarded.

    Why would you change if you were on the winning team. Especially if all you've been taught all your life, is the importance of winning. You would need to be empathetic, compassionate or both and/or an imagination. This doesn't come naturally to everyone, and isn't necessary for some people to get on in life.
    Appeal to guilt? Ad hom? Come on bruh you can do better than this
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    because political correctness on feminism=censorship of men
    Get out more
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Get out more
    you literally just said 'why is males being vocal a bad thing?' and I agreed, you're just engaging in confirmation bias due to my track record…cripes smh :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    you literally just said 'why is males being vocal a bad thing?' and I agreed, you're just engaging in confirmation bias due to my track record…cripes smh :rolleyes:
    It is a rhetorical question.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    It is a rhetorical question.
    Evidently but I doubt OP or the latest dissenters would acknowledge that, likely to deliberately turn a blind eye
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    I think many of the posters have very little experience of real-life. Without getting into 'They're all keyboard warrior' territory, they don't get real life. They don't see any experience other than their own as being worthwhile, or even really existing.

    On the internet, everyone slots into nice little categories, and every stereotype is absolute. If you are a feminist, you are a man-hating, bra-burning harridan. If you Don't Even Lift, you're a beta '*******' (WTF is that, actually). If you don't get into Oxbridge, you may as well be a school dropout with no qualifications.

    Think of the people in real life, whose only real ambition is to get into Oxbridge. Their life revolves around their grades, and their (typically incredibly Conservative and sheltered) opinions. These are the people who get called losers, they're outcast.

    And then, on TSR, with the power of anonymity and the feeling of superiority as suddenly they're surrounded by people for whom Oxbridge is the only goal, people on benefits are all scroungers, all liberals are hand-wringing hippies, people who did BTECs may as well kill themselves, teenage parents are the scourge of the universe and feminists are all hairy unattractive lesbians. They're in a group, so they're powerful - and they can behave in exactly the same way, as people in real life behave to them, but with even more freedom from repercussions thanks to the anonymity.

    They have this inability to see life in anything other than black and white, and anything beyond their experience and knowledge doesn't happen. I can take a couple of threads I've been on in the last couple of days as examples - on one, someone just cannot comprehend the fact that I didn't want an abortion. Even though it's my life, my body, and I've explained why, they've refused to accept my explanation and keep pressing - why, why, why. Because the thought of someone having a child and studying at the same time is so alien to them, they'll be obnoxious in their refusal to accept it, even though it's there in black and white in front of them. In another, someone cannot comprehend the fact that most people do not find women with tattoos 'vulgar and disgusting' - to the point where they accused me of having 'daddy issues' and hanging out with 'worthless people'.

    Their priorities are so skewed and they are so rigidly set in these stereotyping beliefs, that new experiences of real life will just bounce off them - they're closed up to it. And because they're safe online, they can say all the things they'd get beaten up for in reality.

    It's why I don't get offended by anything people say to me on here, no matter how hard they try - because I know exactly what sort of life they lead in reality, and just how sheltered they are from real life and real people.
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    (Original post by maddersla)
    I think many of the posters have very little experience of real-life. Without getting into 'They're all keyboard warrior' territory, they don't get real life. They don't see any experience other than their own as being worthwhile, or even really existing.

    On the internet, everyone slots into nice little categories, and every stereotype is absolute. If you are a feminist, you are a man-hating, bra-burning harridan. If you Don't Even Lift, you're a beta '*******' (WTF is that, actually). If you don't get into Oxbridge, you may as well be a school dropout with no qualifications.

    Think of the people in real life, whose only real ambition is to get into Oxbridge. Their life revolves around their grades, and their (typically incredibly Conservative and sheltered) opinions. These are the people who get called losers, they're outcast.

    And then, on TSR, with the power of anonymity and the feeling of superiority as suddenly they're surrounded by people for whom Oxbridge is the only goal, people on benefits are all scroungers, all liberals are hand-wringing hippies, people who did BTECs may as well kill themselves, teenage parents are the scourge of the universe and feminists are all hairy unattractive lesbians. They're in a group, so they're powerful - and they can behave in exactly the same way, as people in real life behave to them, but with even more freedom from repercussions thanks to the anonymity.

    They have this inability to see life in anything other than black and white, and anything beyond their experience and knowledge doesn't happen. I can take a couple of threads I've been on in the last couple of days as examples - on one, someone just cannot comprehend the fact that I didn't want an abortion. Even though it's my life, my body, and I've explained why, they've refused to accept my explanation and keep pressing - why, why, why. Because the thought of someone having a child and studying at the same time is so alien to them, they'll be obnoxious in their refusal to accept it, even though it's there in black and white in front of them. In another, someone cannot comprehend the fact that most people do not find women with tattoos 'vulgar and disgusting' - to the point where they accused me of having 'daddy issues' and hanging out with 'worthless people'.

    Their priorities are so skewed and they are so rigidly set in these stereotyping beliefs, that new experiences of real life will just bounce off them - they're closed up to it. And because they're safe online, they can say all the things they'd get beaten up for in reality.

    It's why I don't get offended by anything people say to me on here, no matter how hard they try - because I know exactly what sort of life they lead in reality, and just how sheltered they are from real life and real people.
    Your point about rigidity and the apparent 'black and white categorising' is so spot on.

    What I find difficult is to post on this site when you don't fit into the extreme category that dominates every thread.

    I myself am a state comprehensive student, Oxbridge offer holder, multiple beauty pageant title holder, aspiring female engineer, ethnic minority amongst other things. I can't take part in any of the threads on here which involve these topics because they are full of people who believe they're better than everyone else because they fall into the 'Oxbridge, 'STEM' ' category.

    Life isn't so black and white and being rigid in thinking it is, is extremely frustrating and unfortunate.


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    Anonymity = bravery.
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    I'm going to alienate lots of women through this, but TSR was my gateway to Redpill, understanding the nature of female hypergamy and amoral attraction and thus learning why low status men are ignored. Beyond the playground 'nice guys finish last', this is the fact that love is not conditional-the moment a man fails to provide, his value declines, until eventually a woman is forced to take action such as divorce or cheating.

    The article '6 Harsh Truths that make you a Better Person' on Cracked has also been useful for me understanding this.

    My next struggle is determining what warrants 'high status' if not merely wealth or corporate power…I have read on Doc NerdLove who suggests that it depends on the popular sub-culture you are residing in. Example: among emo girls, Pete Wentz would be the natural 'alpha male'/high-status man, among bookworms, J.R.R. Tolkien for example; artists, Banksy. Of course this is generalising, since within those sub-cultures different people like different things, but generally the 'key' is to determining what that person regards as high value. And since the vast majority have a homogeneous definition of what makes a man 'high value', it makes sense to sub-categorise this as 'alpha' and anything low value 'beta'
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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    Guilt about what though. Says more about you than me.

    And where are the personal attacks, describing people for what they are is integral to my argument, it's not meant to be an attack.

    What I'm saying, to people that complain about sexism and racism etc. is that there is no incentive for some to stop being sexist or racist. They just don't need to and might even be rewarded for it in some instances. Unfortunately the onus is on certain groups to change perceptions and hopefully change things that way.
    Well you make out that I am on 'the winning team', when I can assure you I'm regarded as one of the big klutzes of that team, and do not benefit from its rules at all

    Personal attacks in resorting to calling said people narcissistic

    Sexism goes both ways, something not every person understands, or chooses to ignore

    can you please respond now to my comments re: hypergamy, every woman I talk to on the issue skirts around it, and her comments elsewhere betray as such
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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    If that's what you think you need to reflect on your circumstances a bit. And how often do you ever speak to anyone that isn't. Speak to not argue with or berate. My guess is very rarely. I would suggest that part of your anxiety and anger stems from you feeling that you're missing out from what you feel you're entitled too, as a member of the 'winning team' so to speak.

    Hypergamy? Sorry Ive never heard of it, and I wasn't listening, so will have to re read.

    But generally, why not have a more positive stance on things. Why do you have to be so negative?

    Life is too short
    Sexism does go both ways, why can't you deny that? I speak to several women on the matter, some of them (especially younger) mock guys who claim to be 'victims' of the patriarchy, with the 'check your privilege' etc. This is with such things as unemployment, homelessness, depression and so on. I have spoke to others who are more compassionate and egalitarian, however.

    If you haven't read on hypergamy you must be relatively new to feminism...

    You would be amazed how bitter you can get when you are a disenfranchised male constantly told that you are both the reason women are oppressed and the sole reason yu have failed as a man.

    I don';t see what the positive stance on hypergamy is, except for accepting that it is my responsibility to fulfil that drive
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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    Re narcissism, have a re-read over the last couple of pages. What you've done is ignore other posters, and instead posted your views on why everyone's wrong and you're unhappy and it's everyone else's fault. You don't seem to listen very well...

    If you change that mindset, you might find that you're a bit happier
    can you stop evading my question? I accept I have faults that are my responsibility, my point is that as a guy, literally everything is your fault, even the stuff that is not your fault-I have had this confirmed to me on many, many websites by many people
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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    Well of course everything isn't your fault. That's just silly. But if these websites are distressing you so much, maybe you should use them less and do something productive elsewhere, like read a book, go for a cycle, or volunteer, if you can't gain employment?

    Might change your outlook on things again and broaden your perspective
    all that tells me is I can distract myself from the reality of a situation, run away from it until I am ready to face it. It does not change that it is the ugly truth…

    and seriously I'm one of the least narcissistic individuals you'll find. I'm a self-absorbed neurotic paranoid with low self-esteem and depressive mood (not Major Depressive Disorder).

    Narcissists are very rarely this insecure in outward projection. I once described it as 'inverse narcissism'
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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    I would describe you as close-minded.
    how so? I do listen to other people. All you're saying is 'this may be true, but there's more to life than hypergamy, so get over it and go think about it something else'-you are still not denying it exists, in fact by evading it only further suggesting it exists!
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    (Original post by Ikidyounot.)
    No, I'm suggesting that things aren't as you see them. You're telling me that I'm uninformed and ignorant.
    I'm not saying you're ignorant, rather have more knowledge than me actually and thus denying me the 'truth', especially because you haven't landed down your own view on hypergamy etc.
 
 
 
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