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Speaking from someone who's been black their whole life this has happened on multiple occasions, to myself, my mum and my dad, granted it's not a regular thing but please don't deny that it happens


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I'm not saying it never happens I'm saying in my 2 years working in a supermarket I never saw it happen suggesting that whilst it may happen sometimes, people who pretend it happens every time they walk in a shop are lying
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Affirmative action is merely breaking down historic barriers that were largely set by white cis-men. It is a necessary way of bringing about equality.

White irish people have been able to assimilate and gain white privilege.

White privilege is privilege based on race. So bringing income or poverty into it changes little. For example can be white & poor, but your still more privileged than the black man in the same boat as you.

I think your confused as you've inserted a economic privilege aspect to it.
Affirmative action creates advantages and disadvantages for people based on skin colour, all the while ignoring the socioeconomic history of the people it's supposed to be 'breaking down barriers' for or discriminating against. In the name of social mobility, a middle class black girl may be given a place at Harvard over a working class white boy, but hey, as long as there are more black people in the Ivy league, it doesn't matter where they came from or who they're denying places to, right? This is exactly why so many schools and states are dropping the practice. AA doesn't really create equality, rather it hypocritically continues to treat people unequally and often unfairly due to skin colour. That's called faux equality - simply making it look like you're breaking barriers by artificially altering demographic proportions and discriminating, when in reality nothing equal or equitable has been done for anyone.

Irish families have regardless been affected by the economic setbacks and ethnic discrimination of the 19th and early 20th centuries - so where were their social mobility programs that 'right the wrongs' of the past and correct ethnic imbalances?

The user I was responding to brought up economic history and education, hence I continued that topic in relation to white privilege.
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(Original post by leinad2012)
I'm not saying it never happens I'm saying in my 2 years working in a supermarket I never saw it happen suggesting that whilst it may happen sometimes, people who pretend it happens every time they walk in a shop are lying
That's fair enough I guess, it's not all people in the store or all stores either, it's just a select few on and it also depends on the area, it happens way more out of London but there are still a few here as well


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Affirmative action creates advantages and disadvantages for people based on skin colour, all the while ignoring the socioeconomic history of the people it's supposed to be 'breaking down barriers' for or discriminating against. In the name of social mobility, a middle class black girl may be given a place at Harvard over a working class white boy, but hey, as long as there are more black people in the Ivy league, it doesn't matter where they came from or who they're denying places to, right? This is exactly why so many schools and states are dropping the practice. AA doesn't really create equality, rather it hypocritically continues to treat people unequally and often unfairly due to skin colour. That's called faux equality - simply making it look like you're breaking barriers by artificially altering demographic proportions and discriminating, when in reality nothing equal or equitable has been done for anyone.
Economic affirmative action already exist though looool. Society isn't equal, affirmative action is merely restoring the balance. Without affirmative action, the cycle would continue. Until reparations are paid and black communities can use that money to wipe out disadvantages that society exerts on them, then affirmative action is moral and right.

Once again your using the tactic of "oh what about the poor white boy", well you can argue for them. But he already has privilege over his black counterparts with whites taking up scholarship disproportionately more than AA.

Bringing up economic disadvantages, which should be dealt with, is merely to distract from the very real racial disadvantages.

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Irish families have regardless been affected by the economic setbacks and ethnic discrimination of the 19th and early 20th centuries - so where were their social mobility programs that 'right the wrongs' of the past and correct ethnic imbalances?
White privilege.........


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The user I was responding to brought up economic history and education, hence I continued that topic in relation to white privilege.
.....ok.
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First off, I know this a very controversial, however I wish to ask it to see perspective.


Now that's out of the way I want to say that I'm almost completely against Political Correctness. In fact, it hurts me to not be able to speak my mind without worrying about being labelled something. Of course there are limits.

I'm a white, straight, cis, 21 year old male. According to most on the left, I'm extremely priviliged. Somehow, when I was born I was given a green card, or privilege card which allows me to have more benefits than people of colour or people of another sexuality...

Somehow people of colour, women and people belonging to other sexuality groups than my own, suffer in work and they feel as if they're being tied down with ball and chain.

I honestly don't see this.. I personally think it's a complete myth. ANYONE, so long as they work hard, can reach their dreams.


Here's a link to a thoroughly informative video about the Myth.


https://youtu.be/rvEvJaF0w2o
If white privilege does not exist, then you must also say racism does not exist.

You can't have one with out the other

White privilege, at it's most basic level, means that, you have one less problem to deal with in life.

White privilege is the flipside of racism.

These benefits can be

Material (such as greater opportunity in the labour market, or greater net worth, due to a history in which whites had the ability to accumulate wealth to a greater extent than persons of colour)

Social (such as presumptions of competence, creditworthiness, law-abidingness, intelligence, etc.)

Psychological (such as not having to worry about triggering negative stereotypes, rarely having to feel out of place, not having to worry about racial profiling, etc).

"But ...but ...but you have poor white homeless, begging on the street, where is their privilege"

But none of them would swap places with a black person and compare that poor homeless white person, with a poor homeless black person and then ask. Do whites have privilege ? And even in that competition. They do. The white homeless beggar will more than likely face less hostility from police and public, have more organisation willing to help him

And should that white person clean himself up and get his sh*t together then he will receive all the above benefits for being white.

Whites” tend to think of racism as a philosophical or ethical choice. Blacks experience racism as an abiding social and material reality. The former enjoy the luxury pf reducing it to a question of individual choice. The latter must endure it as an imposed collective judgement.
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(Original post by VotreAltesse)
First off, I know this a very controversial, however I wish to ask it to see perspective.


Now that's out of the way I want to say that I'm almost completely against Political Correctness. In fact, it hurts me to not be able to speak my mind without worrying about being labelled something. Of course there are limits.

I'm a white, straight, cis, 21 year old male. According to most on the left, I'm extremely priviliged. Somehow, when I was born I was given a green card, or privilege card which allows me to have more benefits than people of colour or people of another sexuality...

Somehow people of colour, women and people belonging to other sexuality groups than my own, suffer in work and they feel as if they're being tied down with ball and chain.

I honestly don't see this.. I personally think it's a complete myth. ANYONE, so long as they work hard, can reach their dreams.


Here's a link to a thoroughly informative video about the Myth.


https://youtu.be/rvEvJaF0w2o
No. If you acknowledge racism, homophobia, sexism and limitation from poverty. Logic dictates a working class Black, gay, female will have a tougher chance of becoming a CEO, Police Chief, Supreme Court Judge, University Chancellor, NHS Consultant, Military general or Government minister.

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Okay, right.

I am also white, straight and cis. The only difference, apparently, is that I'm a woman.

I can however acknowledge that historical oppression of minorities, combined with some lingering institutionalised prejudices (and socialised prejudices too), definitely adds up to an environment that causes some people to struggle in ways you and I will not understand or be able to experience.

Denying this is really just... Bizarre.

As an example - Black people were prevented from reaching positions of power or of higher salaries. Therefore their children could not have as comfortable a life as a white counterpart may have had (e.g. can't afford a private school, can't afford a private tutor etc). This results in the next generation also being unable to break out of the cycle, etc etc.

Sure, things are over all gradually improving for those who aren't white, who are disabled, not straight or not cis. But the fact that so many people do still having lingering prejudices (often ingrained since childhood and not necessarily the fault of the individual) does cause an environment of privilege for some.

It seems surreal to suggest that a gay, black, transgender woman has as much of a chance at a high-paying career, perhaps in government, as an upper class white straight cis man.
Yes. +1
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The fact that you can get a job teaching English in Asia and many other places just by being white (no you don't need to be a native English speaker) proves that it's not a myth.

Or that white men are preferred by all races of women: http://oktrends.okcupid.com/
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White privilege exists, trust me.
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The fact that you can get a job teaching English in Asia and many other places just by being white (no you don't need to be a native English speaker) proves that it's not a myth.
This is so true. They will literally hire anyone white regardless of qualifications in some parts of Asia.
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Affirmative action creates advantages and disadvantages for people based on skin colour, all the while ignoring the socioeconomic history of the people it's supposed to be 'breaking down barriers' for or discriminating against. In the name of social mobility, a middle class black girl may be given a place at Harvard over a working class white boy, but hey, as long as there are more black people in the Ivy league, it doesn't matter where they came from or who they're denying places to, right? This is exactly why so many schools and states are dropping the practice. AA doesn't really create equality, rather it hypocritically continues to treat people unequally and often unfairly due to skin colour. That's called faux equality - simply making it look like you're breaking barriers by artificially altering demographic proportions and discriminating, when in reality nothing equal or equitable has been done for anyone.

Irish families have regardless been affected by the economic setbacks and ethnic discrimination of the 19th and early 20th centuries - so where were their social mobility programs that 'right the wrongs' of the past and correct ethnic imbalances?

The user I was responding to brought up economic history and education, hence I continued that topic in relation to white privilege.
guess what, affirmative action actually benefits white women the most. Nothing is truly made for ethic minorities, the government and educational institutions will find a way to involve whites.
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(Original post by Dandaman1)
Affirmative action creates advantages and disadvantages for people based on skin colour, all the while ignoring the socioeconomic history of the people it's supposed to be 'breaking down barriers' for or discriminating against. In the name of social mobility, a middle class black girl may be given a place at Harvard over a working class white boy, but hey, as long as there are more black people in the Ivy league, it doesn't matter where they came from or who they're denying places to, right? This is exactly why so many schools and states are dropping the practice. AA doesn't really create equality, rather it hypocritically continues to treat people unequally and often unfairly due to skin colour. That's called faux equality - simply making it look like you're breaking barriers by artificially altering demographic proportions and discriminating, when in reality nothing equal or equitable has been done for anyone.

Irish families have regardless been affected by the economic setbacks and ethnic discrimination of the 19th and early 20th centuries - so where were their social mobility programs that 'right the wrongs' of the past and correct ethnic imbalances?

The user I was responding to brought up economic history and education, hence I continued that topic in relation to white privilege.
What's your take on this?
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I find it very interesting that you would label white privalage as a myth seeing as you belong to said group which receive the privileges and so wouldn't actively witness the walls and barricades placed by society against people of colour
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It's white privilledge when black people have suffered through 17th century onto now,and yet we don't get anything we deserve,where are the reparations for African-Americans when you can pay for the holocaust and native Americans.Black people have suffered to much to take another burden in the society.
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Depends what you mean by white privilege exactly.

In some ways there is such a thing as white privilege when you compare being white to being black because on average whites have larger brains than blacks which is the primary reason for the average white IQ being 15 points higher than the average black IQ. This is in some sense a privilege given to us by nature.
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(Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
Okay, right.

I am also white, straight and cis. The only difference, apparently, is that I'm a woman.

I can however acknowledge that historical oppression of minorities, combined with some lingering institutionalised prejudices (and socialised prejudices too), definitely adds up to an environment that causes some people to struggle in ways you and I will not understand or be able to experience.

Denying this is really just... Bizarre.

As an example - Black people were prevented from reaching positions of power or of higher salaries. Therefore their children could not have as comfortable a life as a white counterpart may have had (e.g. can't afford a private school, can't afford a private tutor etc). This results in the next generation also being unable to break out of the cycle, etc etc.

Sure, things are over all gradually improving for those who aren't white, who are disabled, not straight or not cis. But the fact that so many people do still having lingering prejudices (often ingrained since childhood and not necessarily the fault of the individual) does cause an environment of privilege for some.

It seems surreal to suggest that a gay, black, transgender woman has as much of a chance at a high-paying career, perhaps in government, as an upper class white straight cis man.
I was going to chime in but it seems this thread is in good hands :^_^:
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White privilege is being able to walk down the street and not having people eye you as if you're about to attack them.
White privilege is being able to walk past a police car and not need to **** yourself in fear that they'll stop you and question you (yes, even here).
White privilege is not being followed around by a security guard when you walk through a store.

Those are all things my black ass will have to go through my entire life, and I pray to the Lord that my kids and grandkids don't have to deal with it in their time.

Dw I'm not bitter though, at least I have seasoned food and a great sense of rhythm
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White privilege is being able to walk down the street and not having people eye you as if you're about to attack them.
White privilege is being able to walk past a police car and not need to **** yourself in fear that they'll stop you and question you (yes, even here).
White privilege is not being followed around by a security guard when you walk through a store.

Those are all things my black ass will have to go through my entire life, and I pray to the Lord that my kids and grandkids don't have to deal with it in their time.

Dw I'm not bitter though, at least I have seasoned food and a great sense of rhythm
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First off, I know this a very controversial, however I wish to ask it to see perspective.


Now that's out of the way I want to say that I'm almost completely against Political Correctness. In fact, it hurts me to not be able to speak my mind without worrying about being labelled something. Of course there are limits.

I'm a white, straight, cis, 21 year old male. According to most on the left, I'm extremely priviliged. Somehow, when I was born I was given a green card, or privilege card which allows me to have more benefits than people of colour or people of another sexuality...

Somehow people of colour, women and people belonging to other sexuality groups than my own, suffer in work and they feel as if they're being tied down with ball and chain.

I honestly don't see this.. I personally think it's a complete myth. ANYONE, so long as they work hard, can reach their dreams.


Here's a link to a thoroughly informative video about the Myth.


https://youtu.be/rvEvJaF0w2o
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Depends what you mean by white privilege exactly.

In some ways there is such a thing as white privilege when you compare being white to being black because on average whites have larger brains than blacks which is the primary reason for the average white IQ being 15 points higher than the average black IQ. This is in some sense a privilege given to us by nature.
There is privilledge in natural selection for black people to,due to our melanin,which means we our less likely to get skin cancer and look more younger than our white counterparts.But then we need to look at the widerscope of privilledge not just nature.
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Depends what you mean by white privilege exactly.

In some ways there is such a thing as white privilege when you compare being white to being black because on average whites have larger brains than blacks which is the primary reason for the average white IQ being 15 points higher than the average black IQ. This is in some sense a privilege given to us by nature.
It sucks having a very small brain. :ashamed2:
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