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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Harmful for our democracy, never mind the Labour movement. **** move, Labour :facepalm2:
    Hey don't tar us all with the same brush, some of us out sensible (42% to be precise)
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Let the character assassination by the right... Commence (/continue)!
    The Mail is already hard at it. I think we can expect news that he was secretly an SS member, that he liked Pol Pot, that he kills hamsters with his toenails and that he likes really, really horrible stuff like foreign people, during the coming weeks and months, amongst other 'stories'. :rolleyes:

    What's really going to be interesting is to see if he can get some of the more centrist MPs into his shadow cabinet. If he can't, that will make it easier for the media to marginalise him, although they will still be up against his very considerable gifts in speaking to people - he is very clear, well-argued and convincing almost every time he opens his mouth in public.

    I am so looking forward to seeing him up against Cameron at PMQs, I think we will be in for some genuine battles and not the charade fake-opposition that the Blairites engaged in. :yep:
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    As much as I respect the guy, i don't think he'll win the 2020 election, especially now that the Tories will be arguing he's a threat to national security. I hope Tom Watson will keep him in line.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Good. He's just making politics interesting
    If only it were that simple; he's also undermining the credibility of/going to fragment the left wing, right at time at which we need a strong, viable socialist element in politics to stop the Tories going off on one/putting a cretin like Osbourne in Downing Street :rolleyes:

    (Original post by redferry)
    Hey don't tar us all with the same brush, some of us out sensible (42% to be precise)
    As a collective, it's made a **** move, on balance, plus 17% voted for Cooper *shudders*
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    (Original post by redferry)
    Hey don't tar us all with the same brush, some of us out sensible (42% to be precise)
    The right fo the labour party also have a responsibility not to damage the labour movement. As do the PLP which seem to despise the 'labour' part of what makes the party. What exactly is the labour movement? Is it a view that the labour movement should be contained in a box, but we still expect all your money and support. A labour movement is based in a grassroots movement by definition. Otherwise there is no movement. What you want is something else (which is fair enough).

    There is a world of difference between respecting the grassroutes but adopting what you see as a more moderate electable platform than actually despising the grassroots and other sections of the party like you wish they were not there. It is really hard to tell sometimes. Which is where the 'right wing' of the party has really failed at and it is no surprise it lost. Their campaign was basically 'we hate you and your stupid ideas' rather than making their own vision and appealing to electability in a positive way. Who knows, another SDP type split may happen. That can really stick the knife in the labour movement then.
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    As a communist, this is a step in the right direction.

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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The Mail is already hard at it. I think we can expect news that he was secretly an SS member, that he liked Pol Pot, that he kills hamsters with his toenails and that he likes really, really horrible stuff like foreign people, during the coming weeks and months, amongst other 'stories'. :rolleyes:

    What's really going to be interesting is to see if he can get some of the more centrist MPs into his shadow cabinet. If he can't, that will make it easier for the media to marginalise him, although they will still be up against his very considerable gifts in speaking to people - he is very clear, well-argued and convincing almost every time he opens his mouth in public.

    I am so looking forward to seeing him up against Cameron at PMQs, I think we will be in for some genuine battles and not the charade fake-opposition that the Blairites engaged in. :yep:
    He'll destroy Cameron at PMQ's.

    Cameron can't debate. He avoids direct questions and just tries to be funny with his put downs.
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    So labour is pretty much unelectable now
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    (Original post by TheCasual MK2)
    He'll destroy Cameron at PMQ's.

    Cameron can't debate. He avoids direct questions and just tries to be funny with his put downs.
    I expect a lot of 'dinosaur' quips like those that he always gives Dennis Skinner whenever he gets awkward questions.
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    (Original post by missfats)
    As a communist, this is a step in the right direction.

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    please tell me you're joking
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    (Original post by TheCasual MK2)
    He'll destroy Cameron at PMQ's.

    Cameron can't debate. He avoids direct questions and just tries to be funny with his put downs.
    Which works.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    It would indeed imply America, but I'd rather have a dysfunctional monolithic government than one that is profoundly socialist.
    It seems like a weird stance to take, and probably not one that enough people will follow through with to seriously impact the economy. I mean, you're still suffering high taxes (if you include health insurance as a tax on yourself or your employer they're probably higher, depending on state), you're still suffering big government, and you're still suffering big national debt. The only difference is you perceive there to be fewer layabouts. That's a very principled stance on your part, but I don't a great many people will uproot their lives to adhere to those principles.

    Then again, maybe I'm just less convinced that Corbyn will implement a "profoundly socialist" government than you are.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    So labour is pretty much unelectable now
    Wrong
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    (Original post by SCIENCE :D)
    Wrong
    Why?
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    So now we have a left wing party and a centrist party... who do I vote for on the right? Conservatives aren't it.
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    This is a truly great result - he has been given a rock-solid mandate and will fight to create a better society. He has enthused thousands of people, with his message of hope. His message is summed up simply by trying to create a society where we care for each other, care for everybody and where everybody cares for everyone else

    (Original post by Patrick2810)
    Anyone else disappointed that it seems all the labour leader candidates are tories in disguise.........suddenly changing to right wing views ?


    (Original post by Patrick2810)
    To update, glad we now have Jeremy Corbyn in the race.
    (Original post by Patrick2810)
    I am hearing he is getting a good response at the GMBC 2015 hustings. Some are nominating him so that there can be a varied contest.
    (Original post by Patrick2810)
    Jeremy Corbyn at 14 nominations so far.
    (Original post by Patrick2810)
    Update on Jeremy Corbyn - 21 down 14 to go!


    (Original post by Patrick2810)


    Brilliant news, well done to everyone sending tweets/emails to MPs and getting the word out. Now we can have a wider debate and this left wing view is really needed, when we see anti austerity movements around europe and in the UK. Now it's up to the members to decide the future of the party.


    Great. News.

    What a journey!!
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Which works.
    Miliband tried to give it back but Cameron was just much better at the bullying, immature vibes.

    However Corbyn won't even engage in it - he won't get involved in personal vibes and he'll stick to the issues which may well make Cameron look immature.
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    I'm disappointed, this is not the way to get the Tories out.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Miliband tried to give it back but Cameron was just much better at the bullying, immature vibes.

    However Corbyn won't even engage in it - he won't get involved in personal vibes and he'll stick to the issues which may well make Cameron look immature.
    Cameron will neither debate nor engage in put downs. He will turn it into opposition question time. The message will go out to the back benches to be quiet.
 
 
 
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