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    (Original post by PrimeEpoch)
    You know what I'm trying to say though, being pedantic doesn't really accomplish much.
    I'm not being pedantic, you implied before it was more (perhaps even the majority) and have now reverted to just some. You may not have meant to say that, but you did, so I picked you up on it.

    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about the wider movement(s) because of minorities though?
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    (Original post by Mehrdad jafari)
    That sounds a bit strange. That either implies that you shouldn't turn into a vegetarian because of that, for the reason that people become vegetarian to seem to have morals, or that the intention of becoming a vegetarian on those grounds is a bad thing. If people choose to become vegetarians to pretend to have morals then at least they contribute towards the main goal, we don't want to know if they genuine morals. They won't be assessed for that.
    Not saying it's positive or negative, but I see where you're coming from. I mean I've noticed people that pretend to hold values or morals that they don't actually hold.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    I'm not being pedantic, you implied before it was more (perhaps even the majority) and have now reverted to just some. You may not have meant to say that, but you did, so I picked you up on it.

    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about the wider movement(s) because of minorities though?
    I'm saying that a lot of the newer veggies are probably the people who I described, but I'm making no claim as to the numbers. We're talking about it being a trend after all.
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    (Original post by PrimeEpoch)
    I'm saying that a lot of the newer veggies are probably the people who I described, but I'm making no claim as to the numbers. We're talking about it being a trend after all.
    I've not seen evidence of the trend myself.
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    (Original post by PrimeEpoch)
    Not saying it's positive or negative, but I see where you're coming from. I mean I've noticed people that pretend to hold values or morals that they don't actually hold.
    I don't think that's true but, even if it was true, why would they restrict their diet with difficulty as to show moral values if anybody got to know they were vegetarians? It seems that you would think that anyway regardless of the intention of the individual though.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    I've not seen evidence of the trend myself.
    I was just thinking that but we assume that he's assumption is right.
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    I was talking about my opinion. Jesus, didn't expect to be interrogated for my opinion :l
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    (Original post by PrimeEpoch)
    I was talking about my opinion. Jesus, didn't expect to be interrogated for my opinion :l
    Just before we leave this point, it would be nice to see what is considered as a social norm for people to adopt to that norm.

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    (Original post by Mehrdad jafari)
    Just before we leave this point, it would be nice to see what is considered as a social norm for people to adopt to that norm.

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    I'm getting seriously bored of this thread, I'm leaving it there for good.
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    (Original post by PrimeEpoch)
    I'm getting seriously bored of this thread, I'm leaving it there for good.
    I hope you've looked at the percentages.
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    (Original post by Mehrdad jafari)
    I hope you've looked at the percentages.
    I really can't be bothered, and it doesn't interest me too much. I'd rather not.
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    (Original post by PrimeEpoch)
    I really can't be bothered, and it doesn't interest me too much. I'd rather not.
    It would be nice to pretend not.
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    (Original post by Mehrdad jafari)
    It would be nice to pretend not.
    So you would rather I lied to you is what you're saying? Right, ok.
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    (Original post by SCIENCE :D)
    An increasing number of people I know seem to be turning to vegetarianism, is it fashionable to become vegetarian now, or are peoples morals changing?
    Personally I think more people are just becoming aware of the sustainability issues around eating meat. It's pretty much the easiest behavioural way to cut down on your emissions.

    Plus its increasingly easy to eat good vegetarian food now as more and more meat alternatives and vegetarian restaurants open. It's not really putting yourself out at all.
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    (Original post by PrimeEpoch)
    So you would rather I lied to you is what you're saying? Right, ok.

    *Tries to present claim of fact as opinion.*

    *Claims mis-treatment when presented with logical rebuttals and actual facts.*
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    (Original post by ChickenMadness)
    You're killing another living organism for food. How is that not a logical basis. Something dies so that you can live.
    There are people who do follow such a line of argument. There are some fruitarians who will only fruit that naturally falls from a plant, so as to avoid harming the plant.

    Some strict Jains will not eat root vegetables as harvesting root vegetables involves uprooting and killing the whole plant.

    So there are some who do follow such reasoning.

    (Original post by ChickenMadness)
    No im saying eatinf any living thing is equally wrong. So theres no point making ethical arguments about it.
    Many choose to draw the line in regards to sentience and ability to feel pain. Plants can be determined to not be sentient for a number of reasons. One reason is that plants are not motile. Organisms that do move around and are motile often have developed nervous systems that can feel pain. Motility allows them to flee any harm sensed by their nervous system. But having such a nervous system requires a lot of energy and it would be wasteful for a non-motile organism like a plant to have a nervous system capable of feeling pain, but unable to avoid the pain.

    That said, the line of demarcation between sentient and non-sentient organisms doesn't draw nicely between animals and plants. For example, bivalves such as oysters, clams and mussels are not motile and are largely sedentary beings and appear not to have a developed nervous system and it would seem that they most likely don't feel pain. In fact, many of the arguments used against eating animals don't seem to be applicable to bivalves.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    There are people who do follow such a line of argument. There are some fruitarians who will only fruit that naturally falls from a plant, so as to avoid harming the plant.

    Some strict Jains will not eat root vegetables as harvesting root vegetables involves uprooting and killing the whole plant.

    So there are some who do follow such reasoning.



    Many choose to draw the line in regards to sentience and ability to feel pain. Plants can be determined to not be sentient for a number of reasons. One reason is that plants are not motile. Organisms that do move around and are motile often have developed nervous systems that can feel pain. Motility allows them to flee any harm sensed by their nervous system. But having such a nervous system requires a lot of energy and it would be wasteful for a non-motile organism like a plant to have a nervous system capable of feeling pain, but unable to avoid the pain.

    That said, the line of demarcation between sentient and non-sentient organisms doesn't draw nicely between animals and plants. For example, bivalves such as oysters, clams and mussels are not motile and are largely sedentary beings and appear not to have a developed nervous system and it would seem that they most likely don't feel pain. In fact, many of the arguments used against eating animals don't seem to be applicable to bivalves.
    Bivalves are one of the very incredibly rare categories where there is meaningful debate on whether or not they are moral subjects. Unfortunately I think what really is needed for them is more research.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    Bivalves are one of the very incredibly rare categories where there is meaningful debate on whether or not they are moral subjects. Unfortunately I think what really is needed for them is more research.
    Are you a vegan out of interest?

    If you are, would you change your stance towards bivalves if it were proved without doubt that adult bivalves do not feel pain and are non-sentient? Ignoring subjective values like taste, they are a very nutrient dense food, containing large amounts of important fatty acids such as docosahexanoic acid and eicosapentaenoic acid and could make a beneficial contribution to most people's diets.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    Are you a vegan out of interest?

    If you are, would you change your stance towards bivalves if it were proved without doubt that adult bivalves do not feel pain and are non-sentient? Ignoring subjective values like taste, they are a very nutrient dense food, containing large amounts of important fatty acids such as docosahexanoic acid and eicosapentaenoic acid and could make a beneficial contribution to most people's diets.
    Yes and yes (in terms of moral prescriptions, not sure if I would actually want to eat them).
 
 
 
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